User talk:EGGS/Archive 5

Francis Drake
Cna you unlock that page for a few minutes so I can add some stuff in the Nihongo templates? In fact, I think blocking users would be better than locking the article. 20:03, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's semi-protected, so anyone autoconfirmed should be able to edit it. EGGS (talk) 21:36, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, I didn't notice that. 22:25, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Excalibur
It is not impossible, as Archer said in UBW episode 18. You are edit warring, use the talk page.   I  S T  O  L  E   T H  E   P I  E  S  π  14:09, November 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * The Q&amp;A trumps what everything else in the story as already explained. Do not change it again. EGGS (talk) 14:15, November 8, 2015 (UTC)

Affiliation
Hi, I was wondering if you would like to affiliate this wiki with http://type-moon-fanon.wikia.com/wiki/Type_Moon_Fanon_Wikia ? It's still extremely new though. This wiki can be the mother site for my wiki. Ikido (talk) 21:15, November 25, 2015 (UTC)Ikido

Kotomine
I saw that you deleted my changes to the Kotomine Kirei page. In order to preempt an edit war, I was wondering if you could tell me your reasons for doing so. Thank you. 104.10.194.164 19:14, December 12, 2015 (UTC)174.46.106.186
 * I wouldn't argue that the content could use a rewrite, but the edits completely change the context in some areas. EGGS (talk) 19:18, December 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * Based on your reply, I assume that that my edits were deleted due to procedural considerations as opposed to the substance of what I contributed. Assuming I'm correct, what process must I go through to have them included or at least considered for inclusion? However, if you disagree with the substance of my statements, would you mind telling me why?  Thanks once again for your consideration regarding this matter.  104.10.194.164 19:24, December 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * The edits included speculative details here and there, removed a few important statements, and lost some organization. It doesn't have to be worded in the same way, but most details should come directly from the source work. EGGS (talk) 00:22, December 13, 2015 (UTC)

Just for the purpose of clarification, what is your source for Tokiomi classifying Kirei as a beginner at best? I don't recall hearing that in Fate/Zero.Stfan1987 (talk) 01:39, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * 4th volume, when Kerry is assessing Kotomine's battle prowess. EGGS (talk) 19:58, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Daily message in Xmas day
It will be Arcueid's birthday soon. Could you change the daily message on the homepage into this (http://i.imgur.com/I0gL8LE.png) when that day comes? Thank you.

Edit tools
Can you take a look at this please? 14:43, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Saber's Physical Strength
Where in the UBW VN does it say that Saber is physically weaker than Shirou and Rin without mana (Day; Section; etc)?
 * The baseball date scene. EGGS (talk) 02:27, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism page
Shinji Matou (Fate/Kaleid) was made with 1 line of content stating his sexual preferences and was then blanked by someone else.

Please delete it. (talk) 19:50, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

Akiha test play ending
Do you know what this is referring to? It says it explains why Shiki is *** and I don't even know what it's referring to. Sandubadear (talk) 20:59, January 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * Not a clue. EGGS (talk) 22:05, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

Background
hi i am a guest of this site and i admit i am not familiar with typemoon

if u can tell me who is the 2nd character from the right it would be much appriciated?

07:09, February 29, 2016 (UTC)76.65.160.166


 * From left to right, Caren Hortensia, Sakura Matou, Rin Tohsaka, Saber (Fate/stay night), Bazett Fraga McRemitz, and Avenger (Fate/hollow ataraxia). EGGS (talk) 18:31, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Gaming footer
Hi, EGGS!

A user recently nominated TYPE-MOON for inclusion in our gaming footers. Would you be interested?

Best regards,

Raylan13 ( talk ) 18:40, March 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Added! And now the footer has been created :) Raylan13 ( talk ) 20:10, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Naegling
Was Beowulf's sword confirmed not to be Naegling? Or are we just removing it because it's unconfirmed? Zahadrin (talk) 19:32, March 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's not actually named as far as I know. Technically, neither is Hrunting, but that's a given. I'm pretty sure he has three or four swords in legend, so it could be any of them. EGGS (talk) 20:24, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Throne?
How about a single page for Throne? As far as I know, there are four types of Thrones where only one is referred to in this wiki:

Throne of Heroes (F/SN, etc.): Holds Heroic Spirits

Throne of Divine Spirits (F/SF, referred to by the Wolf's original master; idk how Beast's Lair translated itthough): Holds gods

Throne of Guardians, also called something like the Ring of the Counter Force (F/Extra, Fujimura says Archer is summoned not from the Throne of Heroes, but from the Ring): Holds Counter Guardians

Throne of Souls (Fate/Complete Material 3, Kagetsu Tohya): Holds human souls after death. After death, a human soul can either become a ghost, become stored in the Throne of Souls, or reincarnate.

Zodiac21 (talk) 08:44, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * I know there are references to a 'seat of gods', like mentioning that Heracles ascended there in one of his profiles (CM3?) and saying that only those who have fallen from the seat of gods can be summoned as Servants normally in GO. I don't know if that has been clarified to be the god-storage equivalent though, or just a way of saying "they entered/left the realm of the gods." CGs are definitely on the ToHs. Archer and Rin both give exposition in UBW before the Shirou vs Archer fight. That Drama CD quote is one of many random tidbits we have yet to make full sense of in relation to everything else. Never heard of the last one. Sure you're not mistaken? EGGS (talk) 11:08, March 12, 2016 (UTC)


 * About gods, 座 seems to be used in the same context as when talking about the Throne of Heroes so idk.
 * Out of a lack of resources and personal laziness...here's a wiki page for the quote where the Ring of the Counter Force (Wheel of Deterrence?) is talked about by Emiya in Extra: http://typemoon.wiki.cre.jp/wiki/%E7%84%A1%E9%8A%98. The term itself should exist or Emiya wouldn't talk about it. I'll skip the Fujimura quote from Blossom sensei since you already seem to have heard about it.
 * About the Throne of Souls, it says that the Baptism Rite of the Church returns ghosts back to their Throne forcefully in F/CM3. Supposedly, this is where you take the human souls for use in making familiars like talked about in Kagetsu Tohya. Zodiac21 (talk) 20:07, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * There's seemingly some place for gods given that even dead goddesses like Stheno and Euryale are being summoned, but it doesn't seem like it's been clarified yet. For CGs, it seems like something that will probably get a proper explanation somewhere. It definitely should be mentioned in an article as a thing that exists, but I don't think we can draw any specific conclusion on its relation to the throne and how that all works as of yet. As far as church spells go, it sounds like that might be another way of saying it's "sending them back to heaven" symbolically. I'm not familiar with the KT reference off-hand. EGGS (talk) 22:06, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

Scathach
Hello! A few hours ago wonder one thing about Scathach but I have not received a reply and wanted to know if you could help.

I've been reading some Korean and Chinese pages that talk about it and say they also taught their students sexually and had a daughter, is that true?

Thanks and sorry my bad English !!

Boentessi (talk) 17:48, March 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * In Irish mythology, yes. In the world of Fate, probably, but we don't know. EGGS (talk) 17:52, March 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your answer!


 * Boentessi (talk) 17:55, March 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry to bother you again but there are things I read I would like to confirm, is bisexual Gilgamesh?
 * Boentessi (talk) 18:51, March 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * We have no idea, but I would go with 90% likely in my opinion. EGGS (talk) 19:02, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Avalon
Noticed there was some confusion about whether F/Z says Avalon supplies energy or not so I looked up the raw:

元来がセイバーの所有物である『全て遠き理想郷（アヴァロン）』は、サーヴァントからの魔力供給があって初めて効力を発揮する宝具である. この先、セイバーとともに前線に立つ望みのないアイリスフィールが装備していたところで戦略的な価値はない. = "Avalon, which was originally Saber's property, was a Noble Phantasm that would only show its effect once it had a supply of magical energy from the Servant. Since she had no hope of joining Saber on the front lines, there was no strategic merit to Irisviel being equipped with it any longer."

So yeah it doesn't supply magical energy, it gets supplied with it ("サーヴァントからの魔力供給" is pretty unambiguous) Wakame (talk) 22:48, March 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. EGGS (talk) 23:11, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

New Event Classes?
Hey, about those new classes, I know a bunch of them are marked (Fake), but Jekyll at least is marked (Real), so are they all fake servants, and Real/Fake have a different context here, or can we take some seriously, and not others, like that Saber Ko-Gil? Hawkeye2701 (talk) 23:10, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe the context of those titles is for the drop material rather than their status. Either way, going by plot is the best way to tell. Berserker Boudica and Berserker Liz were specifically like that in the plot, so there's no mistaking it for a gameplay thing. EGGS (talk) 23:44, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'll keep an eye out then and see what pops up in story, if any. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 23:55, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Gilgamesh as Caster
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Caster_(Fate/Grand_Order_-_Gilgamesh)

copypasted from Gilgamesh talk page:

The article for Caster Gilgamesh is wrong. It says that the artwork was done by Ginka, who did Jason's artwork in Fate/Grand Order. There is no official artwork for Caster Gilgamesh, the unofficial images Caster Gilgamesh are actually Jason from Fate/Grand Order, before his identity was confirmed/translations were released. Gilgamesh DOES appear in F/GO as his regular self and as Child Gil, but only as an Archer class Servant.

Please help with removing the article, and removing pages that link to it, specifically the ones with sortable tables such as the Servant page and the Caster page. Don't have the technical knowledge and I'd rather not break the sortable lists/tables. Eaglezero55 (talk) 00:13, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * Caster Gilgamesh is from the datamine of Grand Order. It was never thought to be Jason. The page was created earlier than necessary due to a misprint in the TMAGO volume, but it is correct. EGGS (talk) 00:17, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Emiya Assassin NP page have a mstace. it's a quote "Now either you arrive. Chronos Rose." The quote has no problems but the author of the quote listed as Caster while it directs to Assassin Emiya page. I could change it but I'm not 100% sure which instance is wrong and my knowledge of japanese leave a lot to be desiered.

Shirou in Hollow Ataraxia
Hey EGGS,

Sorry to be bothering you, but I noticed you erased my adds to the Shirou page, as well as several others. I added those after spending the last few days studying Fate/Hollow Ataraxia and I was able to find out a couple of things.

Shirou only appears in bonus scenes, the Eclipse Scenes which are stated to be more silly fan service than anything else, including by Nasu himself. The real Shirou being the star of the Eclipse Scenes is shown by the last bonus scene, where Bazett shows up and it is confirmed that Avenger is gone.

Avenger takes Shirou's role for the story, and Shirou's desire to "save someone" is his biggest motivation for sacrificing himself for Bazett.

While my edits might have needed some tweeking, everything I said is correct.

JMac14 (talk) 23:06, May 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * Shirou is Shirou in hollow. He's also Avenger, but he's only Avenger when he's actually Avenger. It's the whole Avenger + Shirou = Shirou (0 + 1 = 1) thing Avenger has going on. The edits suppose that there's some kind of importance in that fact. Basically, there's no distinction except when he's explicitly acting as Avenger in the night scenes, scenes with Caren, and the single scenes with Illya and Caster. EGGS (talk) 18:25, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

Labeled Section Transclusion
How exactly do you make it work in your Wiki? I tried to implement these in Digimon Wiki but for some reason it didn't work. Does it require something in the Wiki's coding? Here is where I put it. 02:26, May 16, 2016 (UTC)/23:26, May 15, 2016 (Brasília)
 * I can't remember offhand. I think I had to edit either MediaWiki:Common.css or MediaWiki:Wikia.css. EGGS (talk) 19:00, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Looking up it seems I need to install and extension to the Wiki. Do you remember how to do that? This is the extension, and you can see which ones a Wiki has on Special:Version. 02:43, May 17, 2016 (UTC)/23:43, May 16, 2016 (Brasília)
 * For extensions, use the Special:Contact/general option on that Wiki and just give them a link to the extension you want to add. EGGS (talk) 18:20, May 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Wait, so only the Wikia staff can add extensions to a Wiki? Not even an admin like me can do it? 18:56, May 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Nope. Too much access to the backend of the site would be a bad thing, I guess. I think it takes about a day, but they'll do it upon request. EGGS (talk) 19:12, May 17, 2016 (UTC)

Infobox image
I'm playing around with the portable infobox, could you put this in MediaWiki:Common.css or MediaWiki:Wikia.css. Nikonu (talk) 08:59, May 22, 2016 (UTC) .portable-infobox { width: 300px; }

.pi-theme-name .pi-image-thumbnail { max-height: 250px; width: auto; }
 * The coding for the CSS didn't work because you added the <"pre"> command. Nikonu (talk) 19:49, May 22, 2016 (UTC)

Is there a way to control the image size in the infobox portable? Nikonu (talk) 08:00, June 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not too familiar with it all, unfortunately. You could try asking on the Wikia Community Central. EGGS (talk) 16:42, June 18, 2016 (UTC)

Your Version of Magecraft
I hear that you were editing pretty much every page you could and replacing it with your own - clearer - versions a few years ago. Would you mind showing me your version of the magecraft page? Dragonlover553 (talk) 06:45, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Affiliation
Fate/Grand Order Wiki has been running for almost a year and it contains TYPE-MOON works as well. If possible, can we collaborate? (Since this is probably the only TYPE-MOON related Wiki that has a huge traffic)

Unlimited Blade Works 12:13, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * I guess? Depends on what you mean. EGGS (talk) 21:34, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the Late Reply. We can discuss more about it here. We can collaborate to improve the synchronization on the new servant info in Fate/Grand Order which I've seen you guys been keeping up with.

Unlimited Blade Works 07:28, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

Program
Hi, I've got a program that can clean up most of the grammatical typos on the wiki. I can get it started, but it'll fill up the Wiki Activity page. Is that all right?   I  S T  O  L  E   T H  E   P I  E  S  π  20:36, July 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no problem. EGGS (talk) 21:04, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Portable Infoboxes
Hi!

I'm Cyanide3, and I'm representing Wikia's Vanguard team. We're users who volunteer to help communities adopt to new technologies and features, like content portability. We've identified your community as a high priority for introducing the Portable Infobox tool, which has a lot of benefits for your community. Rather than get into all of the metrics and numbers (though I can present some of those if you're interested), I'll keep it simple. I'd like upgrade the Infobox templates themselves so that they can be accessible on any current and future platform. Maintaining them if you want to make changes should be very simple.

I would like to work with you on the Infoboxes, which are registered on Special:Insights/nonportableinfoboxes. There are guides and resources on the Portability Hub for the structure and styles, which I like to share with you in case you are interested in the transformation of your infoboxes.

If you agree I will create some infoboxes, which have the same styling as your previous infoboxes and once I am finished I will send you some links so you can give me feedback if those fit in your Wiki. If you have any questions or concerns, please let me know. You can write me a message on my message wall and I am available on Skype as well.

Cyanide3 17:52, July 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * The "gallery" with the tabbers shouldn't be a huge problem. Can I work on "Template:Character2"? For Template:Servant I would create a "Template:Servant2" or is there already an portable infobox for this template? Cyanide3 08:29, July 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * I've made an attempt with the Template:Servant2, however I had difficulties with the template to act similar to the current Servant template. Is there a way to control the image size in the infobox portable? Nikonu (talk) 11:30, July 20, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Flightmare and I'm also with Vanguard. Regarding the sub-templates as used discussed on User talk:Cyanide3, I am facing something similar on the Elder Scrolls Wiki. My solution to this example can be seen at w:c:elderscrolls:Template:Book/Draft. Every collapsible box in that infobox used to be a subtemplate. Something similar can be achieved for your character and servant infoboxes. The only caveat here is the structure of the template will be changing quit a bit. I am currently writing a bot task for the full conversion on Elder Scrolls for 1000 articles. If you'd like to I could help you out the same way when the Books are migrated on Elder Scrolls. Since your Character infobox with servants is used on 200 articles I assume you'd also like to convert this with a bot? — Flightmare (talk) 11:51, August 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would be quite helpful. EGGS (talk) 00:08, August 4, 2016 (UTC)

Female category
How exactly is it a pointless category? Let's say someone wants a complete list of female Servants - they would have to go through the "Servant" category and literally go name by name searching for the articles they want, because Fate has plenty of genderswaps and a well known male historic figure could easily turn out to be a woman. Yeah, there's a "Genderswapped Heroic Spirit" category, but the people looking for female Servants will still be missing a pretty decent chunk since there are less genderswapped Servants than aunthentic female ones (though, not by a lot).

I don't see how it wouldn't be useful to people. Categories are really just filters that help browsers find specific content on the wiki that they're looking for anyway. If I'm looking for a list of Servants in Fate/Grand Order, yeah, I could use the "Characters in Fate/Grand Order" category, or I could just go the Fate/Grand Order page, which has every Servant in a neat well-formatted list; the sorting pattern of which can be changed to suit my needs, and which even has short descriptions for some of them. This alone makes the "Characters Fate/Grand Order" category more useless than "Female Heroic Spirits" which doesn't have an alternative like the former does.

If you want to get rid of it for good, fine, but with other categories like "Human", which is far too broad and unspecific, as it includes likes of Zouken Matou, the Night of Wallachia, and the majority of Servants; or "Vampire" which includes non-Vampires and should just be renamed to something like "Blood-sucker", I see no reason why "Female Heroic Spirits", which isn't even that broad of a category, should be removed.

And yes. I'm sorry for making it without asking.

Gudao (talk) 02:27, August 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * There are some aspects that are ultimately pointless to categorize. Gender is one of them. As I said, even if we were to have that category, it would just be "Male characters" and "Female characters." Otherwise, we'd need a different set of categories for every single character subset (female magi? female humans? Female monsters?, the list goes on). Those two categories would then be pointlessly bloated. The human category is for characters that were human, are human, or become human at any point. Not all Heroic Spirits were humans in life, so just having them all in the Servant category doesn't properly define all of them. Vampire is synonymous with bloodsucker in-universe. All vampires are bloodsuckers and all bloodsuckers are vampires. That's why it's further divided into DA, DAA, and TA for those who specifically fall under those categories. EGGS (talk) 18:09, August 4, 2016 (UTC)

Hi friend, I need to ask you a thing. I'd like to change a part of the Karna's status. I know that, with Kavacha and Kundala, Karna can increase his endurance and magic resistance. For this reason, I had thought to put in his endurance C(A++). This case will be similar with King Arthur of the Fate Prototype.

Template:NP
Ever since MediaWiki:Themes.css was imported into MediaWiki:Wikia.css, the NP template has been pretty wonky. The tabs are tiny and images are often too small. Could you fix this, possibly by removing Themes.css from Wikia.css?   I  S T  O  L  E   T H  E   P I  E  S  π  19:06, August 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think those edits were to help the development of the new character template. If you try leaving a message for User:Flightmare who is currently trying to help set up that template, he might be able to deal with that. EGGS (talk) 19:50, August 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * The images weren't touched actually so I can't explain that behaviour right now, do you have an example page where this happens so I can inspect it? Speaking of the tabs, I did not know they were used in other places already. Right now I made their sizes similar to the tabs already in place in the character-infoboxes. Perhaps it will be beneficial to choose a wiki-wide style for all tabs in general. Giving them different sizes per template can hurt the overall consistency of looks on every page of the wiki. — Flightmare (talk) 09:57, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

Servant Type Portable Infobox
I was able to include the familiy-tree infobox as a collapsed group of the Character-template, but the servant groups are becoming somewhat of an issue here, given the extreme size the infobox may take up. I see you already experimented with the idea of having the servant infoboxes separated from the main infobox and I would like to know what you think of going down that path instead. Having it split off from the character-infobox means the code will be a lot cleaner and easier for editors to understand.

I can still assist with a bot help if required. My bot should be able to handle the data extraction from the character-infobox in its current form and write this into a new infobox.

If you have any questions or requests, please let me know. — Flightmare (talk) 13:23, August 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * In addition, I also see you started defining a new style for the Portable Infoboxes (such as the new wider style), do you want to keep experimenting with the style or do you want me to make the PI look just like the original infobox? — Flightmare (talk) 13:34, August 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if there's no way to do a infobox within an infobox like the current style, probably best to split them up. Some characters may end up with over six of them, so trying to code that all into one infobox is probably too much. Is there any way to use Tabber with portable infoboxes rather than the current style of one on top of the other? EGGS (talk) 18:30, August 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Right now the only real way of using tabs is when you have multiple images. When placed in a gallery and and fed to the image-argument it will create the image-tabber all by itself. Right now there is no way to tab other fields in PI's. One thing we can do with the servant's is making the infobox hold one servant type each, and include the infobox in a tabber when you want to place it in an article. That way it is possible to have the same infobox six times at the same place, with tabs. — Flightmare (talk) 18:54, August 23, 2016 (UTC)

Hello! I've been a silent reader here, though I didn't know where to leave you a message. If it's not too much of a hastle, could you send the current background image of the wikia to happyhatts@gmail.com, or maybe post the direct link to it? Thanks! HappyhattsHappyhatts (talk) 18:18, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

Better Quality for some images
Hi, i just found THIS Doc. on Google drive with some Remastered images for certain characters.

This is an example: Here (in this wikia) | On the Doc.

KamiYasha (talk ) 18:15, September 7, 2016 (UTC)