User talk:Otakuman007

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the File:HisKoha.jpg page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! EGGS (talk) 00:16, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Relationship Page
Because you're not doing it, I'll be taking the liberty of moving this topic here where I believe it should be taking place. I apologize for not understanding your POV, but this is what I got:

I'm not denying the "attraction" part Miyu and Illya has towards each other (crush as you call it; I actually do know what it means and get it's not the same as love but the way you were going at it, it made it feel you were going that way), but with other aspects being placed on it, I don't see it as simple as that. One reason invovles how that aspect is often used as a "comedy skit or fanservice" rather than the actual story. The other reason is because of the more "evidential and story driven understanding" of Miyu's feelings towards Illya is definitely friendship, I often see the "crush" Miyu has for Illya more as a sense of dedication towards her which is then often used for fanservices for people like us to enjoy and actually want to happen (like that flag picture you posted on the relationship). As a result, I'm don't think I'm seeing this as "are they or not?", but an actual understanding on how Miyu feels. There is also how you went as far saying Miyu having a crush on Kuro where that is definitely ambiguous because the only times that is ever hinted is through parts that are definitely meant for fanservice. Although you kinda backed off on the matter, the idea you went to that field despite the definite lack of evidence (couldn't find a decent citation on it) indicates seeing things not objectively.

If you're going to go done that level of detail in regards to different kinds of crushes, then I can say we are definitely going beyond what I believe should be put on the relationship page and would be better discussed in the various shipper fandom pages (or actual romance theme story). It doesn't matter if it's not the "typical" "are they or not", the idea that we go this far and open to the idea of interpretation makes it no different. For a "in context" example, the "kiss with Illya and do better next time event" you see that as a clear sign of a crush, but I saw that differently as a sign of Miyu's dedication to Illya (willing to go that far for her). Another example is that FGO example you brought, where you saw that as a crush gesture, but I saw that as a friendship gesture (like how so attached Miyu became towards Illya and said Illya was her only friend and all she needed at the end of the first series/manga. However for all I know; you probably saw that as also Miyu crushing Illya). Thus, this why I agreed on EGG on how our judgements are not seen that objectively, or at least not at the level that is establshed.

IF I still didn't understand you're POV despite my best intentions and trying to understand, then I'll apologize again for still not seeing it.

Side note; one "are they or not" I do know (if you want to use it) is Senran Kagura (Homura and Asuka) cause again, I didn't watch Nanoha.

WhalBP (talk) 06:49, December 28, 2019 (UTC)


 * "'it's definitely friendship"
 * "'it's definitely love"
 * "you don't see thing objective, I do"
 * "It just fanservice, that storywise means nothing".
 * "they said it"
 * "they don't"
 * etc. etc. etc.


 * Oh dude, why you are doing this to me. T_T
 * Why you persist on "are they or not" POV so hard and essentially pushing this into realms of typical shipping discussion. >_<
 * Excuse me, that I will not answer it in any way, since that would catch us just in dead-end of "wall of text explanations" of typical shipping quarrel. I have zero interest in explaining "deepness" and "complexity" said relationship, that shipping sides usually use to convince each other about their "truth" when they run out of arguments. So simply stop seeing me as "they are" side of your obvious "they not" side. Cool down, there is no enemy you have to convince that "Miyu and Illya are DEFINITELY friends", nothing. Ok? :D
 * Now take deep breath, and let's this from different angle. Since you still don't understand my POV even after good dose of explanation (yeah at this point was really wise to move discussion here >_<), is no point to doing it again. And let's assume, that there may be more of people like you, that will persist on typical "are they or not" POV. So what to do? I definitely refuse to cut or holding back things because of them or you. On the other hand I'm forced to accept, that there is probably no run from those people and the best thing will be find to good compromise before something explodes. >_<

To do so, we must get to core with as few words as possible. So allow me now to question. What exactly makes you disagree with the blunt statements that:
 * "Miyu has an obvious crush on Illya"
 * "Miyu has a possible crush on Kuro as well".
 * Don't look on any POV or think, that this is some statement that you have to beat with "wall of text" arguments. Make your answer simple and short. If you do that, maybe we will get to somewhere. ^_^
 * Otakuman007 (talk) December 28, 2019 (UTC)