User talk:Zodiac21

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! EGGS (talk) 10:32, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Nrvnqsr
Nero's Reality Marble is definitely something he did on his own. He's older than Roa by hundreds of years. There's a later flashback scene where Roa talks about having something to teach him, which is referencing the Soil of Genesis. The only thing I'm not sure of is classifying SoG as a RM, but he talks about it in response to her inquiry about "what's this RM?" It might be clearer in Japanese. EGGS (talk) 18:30, April 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * The Soil of Genesis was developed jointly by Roa and Nrvnqsr (Melty Blood, Roa's victory speech).  Nero's older than Roa but he was already a Dead Apostle by the time he met Roa, and he learned the Lair from him afterwards...is what I would think. I don't think the Soil of Genesis is a separate RM because the Lair of the Beast King already is Nero's RM and it won't make much sense to make another RM out of a RM. Like you said, it's a response to "What's this RM?" right after the talk about the Soil of Genesis so it's kind of ambiguous. Blegh. Zodiac21 (talk) 19:35, April 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * The core of Nero's existence is LotBK, as in he cannot be Nero without it. It's what makes him a DA and caused him to cease being the singular being named Fabro. From then on, he's looked for means of controlling the RM, which Roa helped him with over time. I can't see any mention of it being a RM anywhere else, so it's probably a weird translation or just an unrelated tangent. I'll probably get rid of that line then. EGGS (talk) 20:34, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

Third Shiki
Having read and reread the cited answers over and over...I still stand behind the fact that Nasu never refers to Shiki's third personality with a single way of phrasing consistently. Both "Shiki Ryougi" and 「Shiki Ryougi」 are both used once (and both use the spelling of the female personality, in case you are curious). The novels don't do anything to distinguish the name, from what I can tell (and if so, whoever transcribed it for the cite on the page did so incorrectly). What I am getting from this is that the the third Shiki Ryougi doesn't have an official name (though, as an embodiment of the Swirl of the Root, I argue that 「 」 still technically counts) and Nasu basically "boxes" the female Shiki's name to distinguish that its the third one he's talking about. I still don't know why you didn't take just referring to her as "the third personality" as a compromise, but if we do use one of the "boxed Shiki" names to refer to her, I'd go for "Shiki Ryougi" if only because it doesn't require users to copy/paste every time they need to refer to her by name.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:46, May 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * It's a fairly important plot point that  「Ryougi Shiki」 is referred to as such; she calls herself that to distinguish herself from the other Shikis because she isn't the same person as the other two -- Shiki and SHIKI were made by 「両儀式」, and she introduces herself by that name.
 * As for KnK having it written as  「両儀式」....well, you'll just have to take my word for it.


 * Here's the Japanese wiki for reference (not that there are any.
 * Well, unless you just want to make sure it's 『両儀式』):  http://typemoon.wiki.cre.jp/wiki/%E4%B8%A1%E5%84%80%E5%BC%8F


 * Melty Blood:  「 私 」
 * Quote from final round, blah blah, first time  「I'm 」 the one begging me to do something


 * F/GO: 両儀式が「式」という名の少女なら、この人物は「両儀式」という名の女性.
 * Blah, blah, Shiki is named  「 Shiki 」  and 「Ryougi Shiki」 is a woman with the name 「Ryougi Shiki」


 * In case you were wondering, from F/GO onwards, it's all completely written as  「両儀式」, other than the name under the card.


 * Most people will refer to her as Void Shiki anyway. The official name should be left as  「Ryougi Shiki」 for information; whether "Ryougi Shiki" is used instead in other articles for ease of typing or in the rest of the article has nothing to do with me.  Zodiac21 (talk) 05:59, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * I see your point on the name being 「両儀式」 consistently, thank you. Leaving it 「Shiki Ryougi」 is fine.
 * Though, as an aside, I do have to question it being written that way being a plot point, since it seems to be totally for the reader's convenience (as I am not sure that 「両儀式」 would be pronounced any differently from 両儀式). If I recall the epilogue, Third!Shiki refers to herself as Ryougi Shiki (specifically 「両儀式」 presumably), then Mikiya asks for elaboration (specifically, he says "...Shiki?"; because it's the same name as the Shiki he knows) and she goes on to talk about on her nature and the origins of the other two. Seeing as she is the embodiment of the Origin of 「 」, I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't originally have a name, but took the female Shiki's name for convenience (the F/GO profile seems to confirm this, as it says she is "a woman with the name Shiki Ryougi" and not "she is Shiki Ryougi".) But I am just rambling now, sorry for the trouble.--Otherarrow (talk) 13:54, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Beast
The following are legitimate terminology used in the Japanese, which you removed the template for. They exist in the article for purposes of reference.


 * the Beasts of Calamity (災害の獣) - This is important because Fou is referred to as belonging to the the Breed of Calamity (災害の種)
 * fail-safe (安全装置)
 * the World of the Primates (霊長の世) -- The original text repeatedly refers to this. This particular usage links to the Reverse Side of the World because that's the only article in this Wikia that somewhat properly explains the distinction between the World of Man and the Interior of the World.
 * "the Combat Ritual For the Salvation of the World" (世界を救うための決戦術式)

The comparison between Independent Manifestation and the 3rd Magic was in the final Demon Pillar at the Temple of Time; Chloe von Einzbern compares the Independent Manifestation of the Demon Pillars with the 3rd Magic, and says the Demon Pillars are looking down on it.

-- Fallacies (talk) 16:20, January 12, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the detailed reply. I reread the part with Chloe and it seems like you're right. It's odd because Goetia doesn't have IM though.


 * Can I know why you think the Grands have IM though? Gil says that IM is a characteristic specific to Beasts and Merlin's description says that he acquired it using his own means, which means that he shouldn't originally have it. He's also there as a Caster and not a Grand Caster.


 * I don't have a problem with the reason for your usage of the nihongo template but I feel like some of these words aren't "keywords" that necessarily have to be in the template. Frankly, having too many of these makes it extremely difficult to read the text in the wiki. Maybe replacing some of these templates with quotation marks or something else would be better for emphasis.


 * Zodiac21 (talk) 04:24, January 13, 2017 (UTC)