Forum:I know who kills Shirou the most!

I just beat Fate/Stay Night! It took me over 180 hours, argh! Still, I had a lot of fun!!! -The Fate route was great -Unlimited Blade Works had some very annoying bits, but some of the great moments were so wonderful that I liked it even more -Heaven’s Feel was …. Definitely the worst for me, but at least Rin performed one of the coolest things in the game -Last episode…. Angered me. This was unneeded! ARGH!!!! -And finally… the final end for the Taiga Dojo… now THIS is a satisfying conclusion! Perhaps not the funniest or the best, but it felt good, nice!

HOWEVER, much to my disappointment, they have not touched upon the major issue brought up in an earlier Taiga Dojo: Who does kill Shirou the MOST!??!?!?!?

You remember that, right? I forgot which it was, but Taiga complained that Ilya kills Shirou a LOT, to which Ilya replies that she’s not the one to kill him the most, to which Taiga gets panicky, stopping her from saying anything more, since that would be a huge spoiler. Now the game ended and we still don’t know anything! ARGH I got really sad…. So… guess it’s up to me to find out whom the top killer is, HAHA! A friend of mine (whom even is the one whom told me about FSN and made me play it) joked how he knows one LP of some Jurrassic Park game, where they tracked whom kills whom, to list who dies the most etc. And that… sort of inspired me to make a chart for this! I made a few charts to display whom actually deals the most deaths!

You’d think this would be much easier, as the Taiga Dojo are mostly about Shirou dying, so we can skip over the other characters. This issue however becomes a bit complicated when we consider things… for example: -Saber gets mind controlled by someone else and kills Shirou, yeah, this technically is Saber’s kill, but indirectly, isn’t the one controlling Saber the real murderer? -Also, command seals are present and Servants tend to obey their masters even if they don’t like the orders they receive… so if a servant kills someone while ordered by his master, wouldn’t the master be to blame? -But wait, Lancer does attack Shirou at the start of the game, and it’s not due to his master’s order (yeah, Shirou doesn’t die, but I still use this as an example), so his master can’t really be to blame here

So what are the criteria to be used here? … I pick… ALL of them! We’ll use 3 systems for comparison: ONE: Direct responsibility – the one dealing the blow is the killer TWO: True responsibility – if a character is under someone’s control, then only the one in command is to blame. Sometimes things get arguable, so I will include a percentage value to tell how much a character is to blame. And yes, I do not deny that this is a very subjective thing… THREE: Any involvement – the previous comparison gave out points percentage-wise, here, those characters will all get full points, even they were deemed mind-controlled or the like. I realize this is very subjective and debatable, but I’m sure it’ll surprise some of you with who gets the top spots.

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">ALLRIGHT! Let us begin, but first:

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">SPOILERS!!!!!!!! We are talking about CHARACTER DEATH here after all! This is a great game, and you should not let such a stupid journal/thread waste it for you!!!! Also, even if you beat 1 route, this is for ALL routes, so only those who beat the game entirely may read on!

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">First I’ll list the deaths to make it understandable who earns a vote, I’ll try to explain the voting as we go, the numbers are the Taiga dojos of course.

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">1) Berserker - Ilya 5/5 – Now it’s Berserker who delivers the kill, but he’s commanded by Ilya, however I still give both of them half a point, because both want to do this.

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">2) Berserker - Ilya 5/5 - Same <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">3) Caster – Caster alone delivers the kill <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">4) Rider - Shinji 2,5/7,5 – Rider kills, but she’s used by Shinji… I couldn’t entirely call Rider innocent, so she gets 0,25, 0,75 remaining for Shinji) <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">5) Rider - Shinji 2,5/7,5 – same, although... it was a jump out of the window <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">6) Ilya (in the park) <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">7) Ilya (in her mansion) <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">8) Berserker - Ilya 5/5 – same as before <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">9) Saber - Caster 0/10 – Caster controls Saber, so technically she should be blamed <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">10) Saber - Caster 0/10 - again <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">11) Gilgamesh  <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">12) Kotomine <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">13) Saber -failing to collect points <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">14) Kotomine – falling over, but still <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">========UBW <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">15) Berserker - Ilya 5/5  <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">16) Rin - although she doesn't kill you, just takes your command seals <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">17) Rider - Shinji 2,5/7,5 <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">18) Issei - Caster 0/10 – Mind controlled <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">19) Kuzuki – This was the biggest dilemma for me, but my friend insisted that only Kuzuki is to blame here <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">20) Rin - Caster 0/10 – True, Rin kills Shirou, but it’s a mercy kill after what Caster did, so.. <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">21) Caster <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">22) Caster & Saber - Caster 0/10 – Both attack, meaning that direct kill gets 5/5, but due to mind control, Caster is to blame <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">23) Archer <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">24) Gilgamesh <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">========= Heaven's <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">25) Sakura <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">26) Ilya <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">27) Zouken <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">28) Rider - Shinji 2,5/7,5 <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">29) Rider - Shinji 2,5/7,5 <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">30) No death, Shirou just persists <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">31) No death, Rin kills Sakura <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">32) Sakura... probably Sakura <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">33) Sakura <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">34) Sakura <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">35) Rider <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">36) Shirou gives up.. suicide… kind of <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">37) Assasin - Zouken 5/5 – Servant does the job for him, but it wasn’t a direct order, so 50-50 <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">38) Shirou - using projection killed his mind <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">39) Saber or Sakura - Sakura 0/10 – We don’t know who did it, so for safety a direct kill gets 5/5, but due to Sakura’s mind control, she’s to blame <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">40) Sakura

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Allright then, let’s start with the deaths that feature any involvement, so no matter the proportions, everyonegets a point, AI: <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">One kill: Issei, Kuzuki, Archer, True Assasin <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Two kills: Gilgamesh, Kotomine, Rin, Zouken, Shirou (suicide) <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Four kills: Berserker <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Five kills: Shinji, Saber (look at that, Saber’s more deadly than Berserker!) <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Six kills: Rider, Sakura <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Seven kills: Ilya, Caster

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">So we have a tie…… but… I have my own doubts about number 19 being entirely Kuzuki’s thing, since without her he’d have no reason nor means to kill Shirou, so I say…. CASTER WINS!

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">TRIVIA:Ilya deals FIVE of those deaths in the Fate route, making her the top 1 killer there, and Sakura only kills in the Heaven’s Feel route, but still gets this high on the list.

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">TRIVIA 2: I did a ranking of kills for Servants specifically: Caster (7), Rider(6), Saber(5), Berserker(4), Gilgamesh (2), Archer(1), True Assassin(1), Assassin(0), Lancer(0)! Interesting, ey? I can understand Assassin, but Lancer pierced through Shirou numerous times, and yet it never kills him, go figure. Although one could argue that an ASSASSIN, true or not, should be more lethal to masters…

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">SECOND ROUND, TR, True Responsibility! So this is all about mind control and stuff,

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">No kills- Issei (he was mind controlled) <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Half a kill - True Assassin <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">One kill – Archer, Kuzuki, Saber, Rin (she takes away Shirou’s right as a master, but I still have it count) <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">One and a half kill – Zouken <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Two kills – Shirou, Kotomine, Gilgamesh, Berserker <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">2 kills and a quarter – Rider <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">3 kills and three quarters – Shinji <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">5 kills – Ilya <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">6 kills – Sakura <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">7 kills – Caster

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">TRIVIA: Funny how within Heaven’s Feel, Caster has no kills, but gets number 1… also Sakura only has kills in Heaven’s Feel, but still number 2

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">FINAL ROUND: DIRECT RESPOSIBILITY, this is the big thing, the last spot, only those who deliver the blow! <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">No kills – Shinji (WHAT?! That bastard coward is the only guy who can claim to not have any blood on his hands!!!) <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">One kill – True Assasin, Zouken, Archer, Kuzuki, Issei <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Two kills – Shirou (suicide), Rin, Kotomine, Gilgamesh <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Two and a half kills – Caster <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Three kills – Ilya <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Four kills – Berserker <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Four and a half kills - Saber <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Five kills – Sakura <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">And finally…. <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Six kills – Rider

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">That’s right… for all her mind control, Caster doesn’t really do the dirty job herself too often, and Ilya sometimes does things on her own. Sakura used Dark Saber a bit too often, and so we’re left with Rider. Sure, in all but one case she’s controlled by Shinji, but it still seems fitting as Rider…. Is the ONLY character who can kills Shirou in all 3 routes (Saber technically does that half kill in UBW, but still).

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">So I hope you people enjoyed this. It is fascinating what great and exciting storytelling this game provides. I mean when I asked my friend who’s the biggest killer in the game, the best guess was Gilgamesh, but he only delivers 2 deaths, second one even being like “I’M TAKING YOU WITH ME!”. Hah, what a weeny! The game sure made him out to be this ruthless blood-thirsty monster, but in reality he barely does anything. What a joke! What a weakling!! What a…….!!!

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">.!!!! <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">The sound of blades flying through the air fills the room. In just seconds, Farel is pierced by 5 swords from the back.

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">“Hmph, a mongrel such as yourself has no right to speak of the King of Heroes in such tone….” <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Farel doesn’t even manage to comprehend what happened. His life ends immediately.

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">DEAD END

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<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;"> <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Taiga: Welcome to Taiga Dojo number 41! <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Ilya: 41? I thought we were done. We even had a special dojo session to end the game, didn’t we? <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Taiga: Yes, we have, but there’s players out there who just don’t know any better, and so we need to help them.

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Taiga: Lesson 1: Do not piss Gilgamesh off! <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Taiga: Lesson 2: YOU DO NOT PISS GILGAMESH OFF!!!

<span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Ilya: Yeeesh, I thought that was obvious. <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Taiga: Me too, but some people never learn…. Well, that’ll do for now! This is the Taiga Dojo, Sayonara everyone! <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;"> <span style="color:rgb(11,12,14);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',HelveticaNeue,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;">

FarelTheGecko (talk) 15:58, March 27, 2014 (UTC)