Talk:Skill

General

 * Since Jonnobi went down, I lost one of my most valuable sources for this type of data. As such you guys can see that the description of some Skills were left in blank as I was unable to find reliable transcriptions of their details in time. Still, I put said skills here anyway as placeholders and I promise to complete them as soon as I refresh my sources. Libra00 10:35, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, that should be it then. By the way, if anyone finds out that Jonnobi is back online, or if anyone knows a source as good as it, please let me know. -Libra00 05:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Host switch, AFAIK. -CanonRap

What?
戦術、学術、隠密術、暗殺術、詐術、話術、その他総数32種類に及ぶ専業スキルについてBクラス以上の習熟度を発揮できる.

Libra: Yes it is. Is a matter of context really. Check http://en.bab.la/dictionary/english-japanese/%E4%BB%A5%E4%B8%8A.html for an idea)

What? How is this a matter of context? If it was 以下 it would make sense but saying "up to Rank B" implies that Rank B is the max and skill proficiency won't be any higher.

If you mean the other examples of 以上 in the dictionary entry, they simply aren't used that way.

Heart of Harmony
I checked again the proper translation for this skill of Sasaki Koujirou. The kanji is "宗和の心得". I can say with confidence that the second word stands for "knowledge/information", but there is no clear translation for the first one. The best I could come up with was the name of the Souwa-style of japanese tea ceremony, but I don't think it relates to this case. Therefore, I simply put the individual meaning of the two kanji that compose it. Libra00 16:38, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well the official translation (aka mirror moon's) is 'Knowledge of Foremost Harmony'. Not sure how much you guys trust mirrormoon's translation though. 205.206.18.25 05:34, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

What does transfiguration mean and how does that even fit in with what 変化 is?
See title.


 * Let me put this way, 変化 ("henka") can roughly mean change, transformation and many other synonyms. In this case it is being used to refer a capacity to transform one's body, so maybe calling it "metamorphosis" would have been more accurate. Still, I went with transfiguration because of its supernatural connotations. Libra00 10:11, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's "henge" not henka and it's normally translated as shapeshift. Transfiguration has too powerful a meaning (the transfiguration of Christ). I don't think any sort of literature ever describes Tamamo no Mae as being a master of "transfiguration".
 * Henka or henge, it can be read both ways. Whatever transfiguration is too powerful or not is up anyone's views, but it still fitting to this case. Also Tamamo-no-Mae is in essence a japanese fox-spirit, which are very well known for taking several appearances. Libra00 18:11, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Jesus christ, you're full of face palm. Henka can be read both ways but in fantasy context and as an ability, it's read as Henge. Also, what is wrong with the word Shapeshift for crying out loud which is what the word is normally translated as?


 * Please remember to sign your posts using four tildes ~'s or by using the signature button. Also if you do decide to use shape shift or some other thing, change each instance in the description and for both playable Caster's and the other Fate/EXTRA Caster's list of skills. Only used transfigure for consistency, seems to work fine with synonyms for transfigure. Transform is another usable alternative. Also not everyone's had loads of translating experience so try to be understanding. 205.206.18.25 05:45, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * "Also not everyone's had loads of translating experience" and since when that's a good excuse to ignore the comments by those who do ? Demonic foxes shapeshift, that's a very typical and standard translation. --Byakko 07:31, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Err I didn't mean to say that about the translation part, only about 'for crying out loud' and 'jesus christ' parts. And when I said I only used transfigure for consistency it was because I saw that's what it was listed as in Caster's skill205.206.18.25 19:47, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Self Modification
Uhh the description for A rank Self mod was a direct translation, even so I can't see how that really qualifies as a poem... 205.206.18.25 17:24, August 6, 2010 (UTC) s, and doesn't really have to contain a poem. --Azaghal 23:33, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I doesn't seem so, but all of the other Nursery Rhyme descriptions are, so imho it can stay that way for consistency. Plus, ... is only a convenient way to preserve newlines and indentation without the use of tons of

EGGS
Uh, EGGS, why are you changing the actual text to something saying something completely different?
 * He doesn't like the official texts, he rather make up his own description and completely change things. He's been doing that for a while in every pages he gets his hands on. --Byakko 15:05, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * The point of a wiki is to allow for both hardcore fans and those not familiar with the material to understand everything clearly. Incomplete sentences, hard to understand phrases, and the like are not really suitable for one. Original text can be placed on the talk pages for reference, but it should generally be changed to allow for easier reading. And as I have said, if there is something wrong with my own understanding of the material, please feel free to correct it, point it out, or do whatever needs to be done to fix it. It is certainly not my intention to make up anything. EGGS 17:15, September 6, 2010 (UTC)