User talk:EGGS/Archive 5

Grand Order
Hello EGGS

Work is progressing on Grand Order. More of the tables are close to template-ready level. I was going to put in sections for certain Singularities resulting from certain FGO events. Do you have any preferences as to where they are put?

I was checking for references earlier for Camelot's Setting information. I haven't been able to find the page on Nasu's blog which was the source given for the background information, so I might have to check the individual chapter summaries for references.

Inept Wiki User (talk) 11:34, August 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * Events can probably just go in a secondary section. If you need the English version, you can find it here. EGGS (talk) 23:45, August 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * OK. With regards to the events, how about putting them under 'Singularities (Secondary)', with 'Singularities' or 'Singularities (Primary)' for the main ones and a Singularities anchor under the first? (also, EoR:EX to Secondary?)
 * That version was the one I was using to construct Camelot's Setting section, however I haven't yet been able to reach the blog page which it was translated from.
 * Also, what is your opinion regarding this move:, ?
 * Inept Wiki User (talk) 11:18, August 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably just "Other singularities" would be fine to differentiate them. Nasu's blog is all screwed up in going back to older pages. You might need to use something like the Wayback Machine. I would say that the info should be on both of those pages. We can probably scrap the nihongo templates on the FGO page and just link to the singularity sections though. EGGS (talk) 23:03, August 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Understood. The anchors are in place for the links. With regards to the version on the FGO page, would you like the previous stuff just with the Nihongo templates removed or a small condensed paragraph listing the primary singularities? Inept Wiki User (talk) 20:25, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, basically the same thing without the templates. EGGS (talk) 23:45, August 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Quick question regarding events. Among this list, are there any non-singularity ones? Inept Wiki User (talk) 23:49, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * You'd have to go through each individually to check. They widely vary. I think Prisma is a Reality Marble, same with the Bunyan event. EGGS (talk) 14:24, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

Affiliation
Heya! I'm Otaku, an Admin on Type Moon Fate Fanon (http://tmfatefanon.wikia.com/wiki/Type-Moon_Fate_Fanon_Wiki). I was wondering if our two wiki's could become Affiliates? Fate Fanon could use advertisement to increase user count, and it would make it easier for people to find. Cya! Otakuknight 79 (talk) 00:48, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess. EGGS (talk) 01:23, August 22, 2017 (UTC)

Sequence Morgan > Secace Morgan
You know that redirect page for Sequence Morgan? Can you rename it to Secace Morgan? I can't change it and an admin is required to do that. Let me know if you did it!

N/A 01:20, August 22, 2017 (UTC)Clyton
 * See Secace Morgan EGGS (talk) 01:23, August 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks! For that one, can you somehow remove the anti-unit and A rank NP categories since that was mistakenly labelled?
 * N/A 01:27, August 22, 2017 (UTC)Clyton
 * It looks like it might be both? I think the profile has one and the in-game NP status has a different one. No clue if that is mistake, or if one is the gun itself and the other is the combo attack? EGGS (talk) 01:33, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh ok I see I see. Then yeah, even then you should remove it as that's about Secace Morgan. I'll put in the Anti-Unit/A rank for Secace since that's what it is referring to.
 * N/A 01:36, August 22, 2017 (UTC)Clyton

Demons
Hey EGGS. I was just wondering if anyone's thinking about doing something about using "Ma" for 魔 on the Demons page. 魔 is kind of a wide concept in a lot of TM works so I think it at least deserves its own English word. Zodiac21 (talk) 13:52, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, not really sure how to handle the whole demon thing. It's so convoluted. They're not really the same thing, but do you think designating one kind as demon and one kind as devil might help? The whole page really needs to be nuked and done over from scratch. EGGS (talk) 19:01, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * I actually had that done before and changed 魔 to demon and 悪魔 to devil (as it is in F/HA iirc) but Fallacies had a problem with it and changed it all back. Maybe we should just change 魔 to something like "Fiend" since in terms of actual Japanese-to-English translation, 悪魔 to demon is correct and "devil" in English is almost always used in the singular case. Zodiac21 (talk) 03:40, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * That might fit. Certainly better than everything being called demon and way better than leaving it untranslated. EGGS (talk) 02:38, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * Just continuing this since there hasn't been a clear setup and I really don't think Aberration has anything to do with 魔, maybe we can make 魔 "demon" and make 悪魔 "daemon," since this seems to be the direction that FGO NA's translation is going for, with that one heart-giving enemy being named "Daemon". It might lessen confusion for FGO players too. Someone already talked about it in the Talk page but it was shot down because 電脳魔 was already in place as "Cyber-Daemon" but that's still separate from 魔 as much as 魔法 or 魔術 are. Translating it the other way around will probably work too. Zodiac21 (talk) 22:18, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd say that seems like a good solution. It's definitely better than "Aberration." EGGS (talk) 23:14, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, it's done. Can I ask you to delete the "Aberration" Page since it's been renamed? I just copied the info into the redirect page for "Demon" so the "Aberration" page can go. Zodiac21 (talk) 20:29, October 21, 2017 (UTC)

So, about those portable infoboxes ...
Hey hey :)

I'm a part of the Community Technical team here at FANDOM—and one of the co-sponsors of the Vanguard team. Last year, a couple of our members dropped by to help you with the conversion of your infoboxes from non-portable wikitext to portable XML.

I wanted to touch bases with you again today to see if we could get the process restarted. Since it's been about a year now, maybe we could begin by examining a few changes I made to Flightmare's designs from back then. (I also added a little code to your MediaWiki:Wikia.css in order to make MediaWiki pages and pre text in general show up a bit better on a black background. It was impossible to read parts of MediaWiki pages, since they have were displaying, on some lines, black text on a black background.)

If you go to User:CzechOut/Test, you'll see the current state of comparison between the two boxes.

While I've read your comments from 2016, maybe a fresh eye and a new round of comments would be helpful here in 2017. So let me just start with new questions.

How far off are we from what you'd like to see? What specific things can we do with the PI to help your community? -- CzechOut 21:04, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * If there is a way, I would like to integrate the Servant parameters sections, but I believe they said that wouldn't be feasible last year. Don't know if anything has changed since then. Some pages already use Template:Character2. I'm not sure how different it is from your version. Also, if you're familiar with templates, Template:WPlink has very weird spacing on mobile view. Any idea why? EGGS (talk) 22:12, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll take a look at the Servants' parameters sections with fresh eyes. No promises that a new solution will be forthcoming, but I'll certainly look over the next few days.


 * As for WPlink, the problem was that it was misclassified. A "context-link" is something like Main -- where you intend for there to be a little space before and after a single line of text. WPlink is meant to be an inline template, producing text that's integrated into a sentence. So I changed it to "Citation or reference", purged the page I was looking at, and everything snapped back into place. It may take up to 24 hours for all transclusions of WPlink to work properly, for caching reasons.


 * You may find it helpful to read community:Help:Template types to better understand how all the classifications work in Mercury. After all, template classification is done solely for the benefit of mobile devices. Your choice of template type makes no difference to your desktop view at all. -- CzechOut 23:39, August 28, 2017 (UTC)

Text size increase
Any idea why the Text Size on the Noble Phantasm Pages for the names and titles in the name box suddenly got larger so the long titles no longer fit? Zahadrin (talk) 00:35, August 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably recent changes by the person in the section above. Might just be able to add a smaller secondary header instead of putting it all in the main one. EGGS (talk) 19:44, August 31, 2017 (UTC)

Minor Stuff
Hello EGGS

With regards to the character infoboxes, a number of them which have images under tabs are not displaying them on this end. Are they not displaying on your end as well?

Inept Wiki User (talk) 14:16, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Which pages are you not seeing them on? EGGS (talk) 19:57, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * It depends on which browser you are using; with Internet Explorer, images are missing and not appearing. Whereas google chrome seems fine. Nikonu (talk) 21:11, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * It would seem that was the case. Inept Wiki User (talk) 19:34, September 16, 2017 (UTC)

A minor observation, the switch with the Forum ('Discuss') appears to make it so that activity there doesn't appear in Recent Changes or Wiki Activity Inept Wiki User (talk) 11:05, January 28, 2018 (UTC)
 * It's basically a completely separate entity, so it's not directly connected to here. Honestly, sort of fine with that because the posts clog up the watchlists. Though it will probably have the effect of reducing discussion, so seems sort of a weird idea. It might allow people to follow all their discussions throughout the entire site or something, I guess. EGGS (talk) 13:24, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

Page Images Not Working
Images that display the Servants are no longer functioning. Might you know the reason for this? Zahadrin (talk) 21:31, September 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks to be Tabber. If it's on the Wikia side of things, I honestly have no clue how to fix it. It would need to be completely revamped page by page. EGGS (talk) 00:27, September 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * The Noble Phantasms Pages seem to be fine. Maybe if we replicate their Image Displays are written out, that'd possibly fix it. Zahadrin (talk) 02:30, September 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks like it should be fixed now per Wikia's advice. EGGS (talk) 19:57, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I'll try to be more careful.

I'm sorry sir. --Young-Jah (talk) 19:18, September 27, 2017 (UTC)

What defines "Servant"?
On Beasts specifically. Beasts aren't summoned, have no masters (usually), and don't have to be Heroic Spirits or Divine Spirits. What keeps them classified in this category?
 * Beast VI is definitely Manaka's Servant. That's really enough for it. They have all the particulars of Servants. It's a class, which is something unique to Servants. They're just beings of a higher order like Grand Servants that aren't part of the man-made HGW system. EGGS (talk) 02:39, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

Unified Language
Just so you know, the reversion from earlier was a response to a slight disagreement between two of the other users:, , 86.133.92.156 11:31, October 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, didn't notice. Guess I'll revert and they can work it out. EGGS (talk) 13:00, October 11, 2017 (UTC)

Link Changing Based on Renaming
Hey! So I remember when you renamed all the FSF Servants to False/True (Class), every link was also changed automatically. Do you know how to do that or was it you manually changing every single one?

N/A 22:12, October 17, 2017 (UTC)Clyton
 * I went through manually. If you go to the bottom of the page, you can click the "What links here" to see all pages that use that link. When switching links, the first thing you want to do is find any templates like the character template and change it there first. Otherwise it will just show it as present on every page. If you download Auto Wiki Browser from Wikipedia, you can semi-automatically change links by loading all pages on the site one at a time. It automatically applies changes as per a template of instructions, and all you need to do is press OK for each page. The only reason I don't use it is because it just won't work with my computer for some reason. EGGS (talk) 22:16, October 17, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hmmm how about a method where if I type something specific, it will link me to the page with a different name. For example, what I was thinking for Japanese Servants with the accents in their name is putting the actual Japanese name with the accents as the title of the Servant's page, but then every single word that uses a the name without the accents will automatically link it to that page. So let's say Assassin (Fate/Grand Order - Katō Danzō) is the title, but if someone links Assassin (Fate/Grand Order - Kato Danzo) or   Assassin (Fate/Grand Order - Katou Danzou), it will still go to that page. The reason I'm doing this because when I tried putting the normal named links in the NP infoboxes, it will be a broken link despite already putting a redirect for those cases.
 * N/A 22:32, October 17, 2017 (UTC)Clyton


 * Could you show me a case of what you're talking about? You can create a redirect for any alternate means of spelling and always use that. EGGS (talk) 22:39, October 17, 2017 (UTC)


 * No worries about that anymore. I have another inquiry, can you add a "Source" info for the servant templates? For example, I mean King Arthur's source being "Arthurian Legends". I think it's pretty relevant and since all the FGO profiles are having them as well as one's place of origin, I think we should implement it. I can fill them all out.
 * N/A 04:00, October 24, 2017 (UTC)Clyton
 * We need to switch to the portable infoboxes eventually, so let me try putting together a new style of infobox for Servants if I can. Also, do you sign with ~ or something else? Your timestamp seems to come out weirdly. EGGS (talk) 18:55, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

ServantBottom
More collapsibility is indeed possible. But here's the key. For collapsibility to work you must have a header. A lot of the lines you've created in ServantBottom don't have a header, so asking them to be collapsed isn't going to work.

On the left you'll find my modified version of your template, which will demonstrate how much more of the template can be collapsed without changing how the template is currently set up.


 * CzechServantBottom


 * ServantBottom

I think I've collapsed the groups the way you wanted, but I'm totally unfamiliar with Type:Moon and will need you to obviously double check the content. Lemme know if you have any other questions! -- CzechOut 20:24, October 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * Check out the way CzechServantBottom behaves now. Is that the level of compression you were looking for?


 * I'm not quite sure what you mean by your final sentence. Could you possibly rephrase or point me in the direction of an infobox that currently behaves the way you want it to? By "it" do you mean simply combining ServantTop and ServantBottom into one template? If so, that's unproblematic.


 * If you want to have the option of putting multiple instances of ServantBottom together into one template, the only way I can think of doing that is by redefining all the variables. So let's say you had the potential to have as many as four instances of ServantBottom. You'd have to have something like skill-a-1, skill-b-1, skill-c-1, skill-d-1, where these variables represent the first skill of boxes a through d.


 * I might be completely misunderstading you, though, so do please set me straight! -- CzechOut 21:57, October 25, 2017 (UTC)


 * To my mind, this is a problematic statement:


 * I would like it to stylistically look like all of the templates share the same frame, without actually needing them to be part of the same template.


 * I don't immediately know of a way to make that happen. Even with wikitext boxes, that would be a tall order.


 * Do you have an example of this now, with your current wikitext infoboxes? It's posssible I'm just not quite understanding what you're saying.], so a visual aide would be useful. :) -- CzechOut 22:47, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * I've played around with it for a bit on my test wiki, and I don't really think having the Top and Bottom templates within one single infoboxis terribly feasible. You could I suppose change the variable names so that you ended up with 100+ variables, but you'd have to then change variables on each individual page. That would take some work, and achieve only a marginal stylistic victory. If you don't do that, what's gonna happen is that you'll only get one value for each variable, and that value will be repeated for each of the servant's masters. Literally putting ServantBottom on the page for each master is kinda your only option to preserve the data, unless you're willing to add a lot of variables.


 * So I think it's easiest just to have separate templates without a unifying border, particularly since there aren't that many pages with multiple masters. And on those pages with multples, to my eye, it actually looks pretty cool to have separate(d) templates. Particularly on a black-backgrounded wiki like this one. And it's completely understandable on mobile devices. -- CzechOut 00:48, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

New Servant Template
Hey, so a problem I found is that when putting in the Skill names, it won't create a hyperlink that will automatically go to the named section in the Skill page like the old Servant template. Is there anyway to implement it again?

N/A 19:02, October 27, 2017 (UTC) Clyton
 * Looks like that might not be possible with portable infoboxes. I'll look into it a bit more though. EGGS (talk) 19:36, October 27, 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion for displaying "irregular" or non-GO classes in the Servant template
I've been browsing the wiki and I've noticed that it looks kinda off how "irregular classes" (such as Arcueid's "Funny Vamp" or Shiki's Monster) or actual classes who haven't appeared in GO (such as Savior) appear as just written word next to the other classes being displayed as the GO icons. I was wondering if, even as a placeholder, it'd be possible to display these "non-classes" (and Savior) using the question mark icon used in GO for the Demon Pillars or when there are too many Servant types to display in the preview? Would that work to at least tidy things up?--Otherarrow (talk) 18:03, November 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've done that for at least one page, so that would be fine. I have no idea what the filename for it is, or which page I used it on though. EGGS (talk) 18:36, November 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Found it on Hijikata: Unknown.png . EGGS (talk) 18:39, November 3, 2017 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Heya :) Just wondering if there was anything I could do to help you approve your final portable infoboxes. The work we did a few weeks ago doesn't seem to have actually been implemented, so I wonder what we need to do to get it online. And I'm wondering if you need anything as far as Character is concerned. I'm not sure if you haven't tackled that yet because you are planning on phasing out that template, or just because you wanted to get Servant working properly first. -- CzechOut 18:14, November 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * I think we have Template:Character2 to switch everything over. Once all the Servants are done, then AWB or a bot can be used to mass switch most of the others over. I think the only other thing that would need to be dealt with some page's infobox images, which I don't think are all fully compatible with portable. EGGS (talk) 18:36, November 3, 2017 (UTC)

Hello there, I'm new here. So it's nice to get to know all admins and whatnot. Anyway, I hope I'm not too much trouble at all, anyway again, it's nice to know you. Also, at the moment I don't really any need help with anything. Although I do have a small request, If it's not too much trouble, I was wondering if you or any other admin can possible put in the addition of "Faye Mata" as Astolfo's English VA for Fate/Apocrypha in his bio, again if it's not too much trouble.

Thanks and Nice to be here.

User Talk:MasterAdventZero

Duplicate Servants
Hello there! Sorry for the trouble, this has been something that's been bothering me but a recent conversation on the forums brought it up again, but what is a measuring stick to say that an incarnation of a character isn't the "same" as a prior incarnation? I noticed, for example, you merged the EXTRA incarnations of Cu Chulainn and Karna with their "normal" counterparts but kept separate EXTRA Gilgamesh or the other Cu Chulainn variants which even GO makes clear are the same "character" just in a different form. Where do we draw the line and say "yes, these count as two different characters for wiki purposes" or "no, these are the same character"? For characters like the two Alteras or EMIYA and Nameless, we have explict confirmation that they are different 'people' but for the different forms of, say, Gilgamesh, Karna, Cu Chulainn, it seems the line distinguishing different versions is a lot more blurred.

TL;DR: Should we treat separate appearances of the same Heroic Spirit as the same person unless explicitly stated otherwise (and thus cover them on the same page) or treat them separately by summoning, class, etc? I'd be fine with either, but as it is I feel it's kinda inconsistent.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:31, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Cu, Karna and FSF Gil were initially split out because those were really the first cases of the same Servant being in multiple HGWs, not sharing memories with their other incarnations. As we have since increased the number of series and wars, that distinction is now fairly pointless. Saber in FGO/Labyrinth/Extella is about as different to FSN Saber as Extra Karna is to Apo Karna. They are the same core character with the same background, the only real difference being their sets of memories. Going down that rabbit hole of splitting them by war now would be a nightmare. Gil is just a special case in my eyes because of how different each version of him is due to how Nasu has vastly developed the character. His interactions with Enkidu in strange fake affect him greatly enough that it affects his whole outlook on the war. His page is also massive as it is, so merging them would just make it even more bloated. EGGS (talk) 21:14, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * I can understand that, and I agree the distinction is fairly pointless. I'd argue that any version of a character should probably be treated as the 'same' as long as they are the same core character and there isn't something radically altering this fact. For example, I'll argue that we should probably merge all of the Cu Chulainns except for Cu Alter on the basis that they are all presented as the same person in GO (with Proto Cu's profile even going out of it's way to explain how he 'fits' with the Cu Chulainn we know; he's basically Cu Chulainn Lily), but on the other hand we should keep the Prototype version of King Arthur and Lancer Artoria separate from Saber Artoria due to the narrative presenting the three as basically three mutually exclusive 'people' who all have the 'existence' of King Arthur (at least, from what I can tell). Does that make any sense?
 * Gilgamesh (and even Artoria to be fair) honestly does seem like a beast to handle if only because yes they are constantly used and their characterizations can differ. I'd be fine with keeping, say, all the different Gilgameshs separate solely to prevent the resulting page from being lag-causingly huge or anything.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:46, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Different versions of different Servants are all treated as separate aspects of each other. They can actively interact in FGO, and they have different roles. It's a bit different than the seasonal variations, as you almost never see those variations outside of the seasonal events or interacting with their "regular" selves unless it is a fully different character like Jeanne Lily. Most are different enough that combining them would make it a bit of a cluster. Caster Cu is not as different to Lancer Cu as Saber Alter is to Saber, but each is still a separate aspect of the Heroic Spirit. The only real section they share is their basic history. The only real case I'm considering is Li Shuwen, one page for young and one page for old, because his Lancer self and Assassin self are really the same exact character sans spear. If the Last Encore version is a Berserker the whole time, that would be five pages on Li Shuwen, and that would just be silly. EGGS (talk) 21:58, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * I've noticed that, at least in the material translated so far, GO goes out of its way to never use multiple versions of the same Servant in the same story scenario unless there is some clear distinction between them (such as Jeanne Alter being a clone and not the real Jeanne, or Saber Gilles not being a Servant but the 'real' Gilles who lived in the era), so it seems we are arguing about "maybes" in this case and that seems kinda iffy to me.
 * I'd argue that Caster Cu is identical in case to Saber Bride as you explained before, as the narrative itself treats him as the same person as Lancer and not just another "aspect" of the character (he even complains in the Fuyuki singularity about his sudden change to Caster and how he wishes he was a Lancer again), so he's arguably a special case. The rest...I'll give you, though I'd argue most of them are so minor and underutilized and revolve so much around their base character (such as Alexander being paired with El Melloi II and his appearance being a call back to a exchange in Extella about Iskander) that keeping them separate removes important context from their characters I feel.
 * EDIT:Unless you meant something like Bathory interacting with Carmilla but honestly the two are so different I forget they are suppose to be the same person sometimes. It's still a point against my point, but hrm (I'd argue it'd be foolish to merge those two anyway)--Otherarrow (talk) 22:59, December 28, 2017 (UTC)

Naming Order
I was just wondering about some of the names for heroic spirits from Asia. Since the western order is used for Japanese characters in the modern era such as Shiro Emiya, Rin Tosaka, Sakura Mato, etc., if that should also be the case for some servants as well such as Sasaki Kojiro being Kojiro Sasaki or Fuma Kotaro being Kotaro Fuma. Although I not certain about characters such as Sakata Kintoki or Tawara Tota since their names are a bit longer with Sakata no Kintoki and Tawara no Tota respectively with the "no" in their names making it kind of confusing for their order.

Vincent Dawn (talk) 22:48, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * I generally go with what Wikipedia goes with for names. There is some kind of academic thing where everyone of a certain historical age is kept in Japanese order. Not sure exactly why offhand. EGGS (talk) 22:56, December 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, just asking. Vincent Dawn (talk) 23:34, December 28, 2017 (UTC)

Lost Belts
Hello EGGS

With regards to the Lost Belts, I was planning to put information on the Grand Order page under Origin and a new section. Is this OK with you? Also, with space or without?

Inept Wiki User (talk) 14:19, January 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be the best place for them. Though we'll probably want to create a page on the "Lostbelt" itself as a concept. EGGS (talk) 14:43, January 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. Do you want the term without a space? Inept Wiki User (talk) 14:45, January 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably go with Lost Belt for the Grand Orders and Lostbelt for the actual place. I don't know if it's on purpose or just bad romanization, but it works to differentiate the two. EGGS (talk) 15:08, January 1, 2018 (UTC)


 * Understood. I'll place the information on the page and make a temporary redirect for the time being.


 * On an unrelated note, are the joke Pseudo-Servants from the special being included or excluded from Servants of Fate/Grand Order x Himuro's World‎‎? Inept Wiki User (talk) 15:18, January 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of giving the first one a page. Even if a parody, she displays a NP and a decent amount of background info. I'm not really sure about the context of Himuro's so I was waiting for subs (hopefully) for that one. EGGS (talk) 15:22, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Tweaks
Hi, EGGS!

With the upcoming release of Fate/Extra Last Encore, I wondering if I could at least place the logo for the show on the main page?

Also, we'd like to activate Discussions, if possible. It would serve to take the place of Forums; seeing as how the Forums have activity, we could migrate everything over to the Discussions feature without any loss of content.

Discussions is a forum-like conversation space that works equally well in a desktop browser, mobile browser, and in our community apps. It will eventually replace the current forums, and all existing forum content will move there, so it's a matter of jumping on the boat to get individualized attention now rather than potentially being lost in a shuffle later. With communities that already have Discussions, we've seen a big influx in new members for the community who signed up just so they could use Discussions and talk to other users about their favorite game. It made the wiki accessible for a lot of users who loved the topic, and enjoyed the articles, but couldn't quite find their niche to contribute before.

Let me know what you think!

Best regards,

Raylan13 ( talk ) 19:51, January 9, 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure where it would fit, but no problem with the logo on the front page. As long as it's not the feature that removes talk pages, that is fine. I never want to use that one again. EGGS (talk) 20:30, January 9, 2018 (UTC)
 * Logo placed :) Thanks! As for Discussions - nope, it has nothing to do with Talk Pages. I'll pass along word to those that handle Discussions and Forum migration - it typically takes anywhere from 7 - 10 days for someone to swing by and make those changes. Raylan13 ( talk ) 23:24, January 9, 2018 (UTC)

Hey, what is MHX’s personality like? I’m interest and I want to know what kind of character she is.

2600:1013:B02E:CAA:3003:3C7B:88E8:1320 23:20, January 13, 2018 (UTC)Braden

Minor Questions
Hello EGGS

I have a few minor questions for you: Inept Wiki User (talk) 13:14, February 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * With regards to Grand Order, I was thinking about putting several images in for some of the Singularities and Lost Belts. Among the images I had in mind were clear versions of the maps for the Singularities to go under their individual Setting sections, and perhaps several images from the Trailers/Openings to go with the initial paragraphs. Firstly, would this be OK with you, and secondly (for the clear ones, maps in particular), where do you reckon would be the best place to find them?
 * With regards to Fate/Grand Order x Himuro's World, I was thinking about putting several small entries for the unused candidates put forward by the Counter Force (including a note concerning the little joke about Pioneer of the Stars) under List of minor characters. Would this be OK?
 * With regards to Fate/school life's Servant submission contest, there are several more than have been listed in the gallery. Would it be OK to put the ones without pictures in a bullet-point list below the gallery for now?
 * Maps would be fine, best placement would be the Setting section. Just use if the image bleeds into the next section. There's not much point in using the trailers. You can put those characters on the list of minor characters. Just include a line that they are parody Heroic Spirits for the dogs and New Nessie. No clue how joking they were being with those. It would probably be best to turn the School life page into a table format at some point, like "image", "name", "NP", "main work counterpart (like for Solomon and Holmes or the ones used for FGO X HW). Listing the ones without an image would be fine. If you want me to upload the relevant pages from the raw, I can. EGGS (talk) 20:30, February 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * Understood. I wasn't sure where the best place would be to look for clear map images - the FGO Wiki seems to have some for four of the EoR singularities, though I thought I should probably ask here and there before attempting to use them. Other than that, I don't know. Perhaps some of the non-clear maps can be used as temporary placeholders. With regards to the trailer images I mentioned earlier, I was thinking of the individual entries on the overall EoR/CotLB PVs.
 * They have now been added.
 * I concur with the table suggestion. I've had a quick look in the Beast's Lair and these are the ones listed there that don't have an image in the gallery at the moment (not including the most recent batch):
 * Gideon Mantell, Ueshiba Morihei, "Cannon King" Krupp, Dante Alighieri, Triệu Ẩu, Taira no Tokitada, Sterling North, Yamamoto Heikichi, John H. Watson, Ryuuzouji Shittenou, Nakamura Choubei
 * Toriyama Seiken, Kinokuniya Bunzaemon, Gary Gygax, Corporal Wojtek, General Sherman’s Tree, Rouwenhorst Mulder, The Fiend with X Faces, Ono no Imoko, Sir Hugh Beaver
 * Baron Munchausen, Kyokutei Bakin, Diogenes, Hypathia, Lapu-Lapu, Georges Méliès, Henrietta Lacks, Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot, Yaoya Oshichi, Marie Tussaud, Alexander Bogdanov
 * Edwin Hubble, Tamaya Ichirobee, Professor Moriarty, Sir Pelleas, Yasuke, Auguste Piccard, Jack Churchill, Mestre Bimba, Besouro Mangangá, Sanada Yukimura, Mr. and Mrs. Hill, Mehmed II, John Gacy


 * Inept Wiki User (talk) 23:52, February 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't be sure if all of these are right but I've tried to extrapolate names from two pages of the more recent submissions (Beast's Lair):
 * Takahashi Deishū, Pacific Three Brothers, Johann Friedrich Böttger, Dvořák, Grace Hopper's Moth, Brigadier Sir Nils Olav, Anansi, Katsushika Hokusai, Hiratsuka Raicho, Frances Griffiths
 * Hoichi the Earless, Joe Magarac, Zahhāk, St. David, 'Escape King' Houdini, John Lackland, Grendel, Mike the Headless Chicken, Grace O'Malley, Kimura Yasube, Evening Queen? (not sure about this last one at all)
 * Inept Wiki User (talk) 00:51, February 10, 2018 (UTC)

Matter requiring attention, EGGS. Inept Wiki User (talk) 08:10, February 19, 2018 (UTC)

Redundant Pages
I'm not going to argue that every version of a character needs to be on the same page or the like, but you mentioned before that you considered merging pages where the difference is solely something arbitrary like class, citing GO's Lancer Li Shuwen and Last Encore's Berserker Li Shuwen as an example to be merged with the normal Assassin Li Shuwen. What got me thinking of this again is the pages for the KnK characters in GO, where they are separate from their "normal" versions despite...being pretty much the same characters with the same design, abilities and history. (at the very most, I can see Void Shiki getting a separate page based on this, but I don't see it as completely necessary?) Any thoughts on this? Sorry if this is more something for the forums, but I have no idea how Discussions work.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:45, February 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * Only real reason I'd be against it is that coming from a different series, trying to fit the Servant versions together with the human versions sort of jams them up. It might just be a weird perception I have of it, but it feels like it just sort of makes the pages overly convoluted. The Prisma characters are an exception in my mind because they are basically already Servants in terms of strength and abilities, so there's no real change other than "they're now classified as Servants." It would certainly be doable to fit everything on one page, but everything will be sort of out of place in my mind. Same thing with Arc and Extra Arc.


 * Other people may have different opinions. I guess a blog post might be the best way to garner attention. I would have kept the forums for now if I had known the discussion part was treated like a separate site. It's such a dumb idea because nobody is going to check that on a daily basis. EGGS (talk) 20:47, February 15, 2018 (UTC)

Subcategories
You've told me Ive misunderstood the Subcategories completely. I would like to ask how have a misunderstood and can you link me your sources.

"You have a fundamental misunderstanding about the topic that has been pointed out multiple times. You are completely wrong in your interpretation, so please do not edit that page for that reason again or you will be blocked. EGGS (talk) 12:00, February 19, 2018 (UTC)"

Can you please explain to me what "misunderstnadings" are there in my edit and how MY reasonings for Pseudo wars were wrong. Also can you link me sources that justify your decision against me. ArcaneX (talk) 05:04, February 20, 2018 (UTC)ArcaneX


 * Perhaps you can give your sources as well, then we can see how this came about? 51.6.127.11 09:51, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
 * Look at the reference on the page itself. That is the one and only term for the concept of mini-HGWs. You are just using an alternate translation of the term, and you have severely confused yourself on the mechanics of the concept. EGGS (talk) 16:37, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

{{reference|Stuff|here are my quotes:

Manga:

“The Holy Grail War caught little attention among magi until its third ritual” Chapter one page7 (Fate apocrypha manga)

“Amidst their surprise, magi began trying to copy the fuyuki holy grail war” Chapter one page9 (Fate apocrypha manga)

LN:

'''"This is completely unlike all the imitations of the Holy Grail War rituals of our time. In scale alone, it is beyond the Grail War which took place thrice in Fuyuki. We must brace ourselves for what will come. Let them fully regret sullying the name of the Clock Tower." '''

"This Holy Grail War is on an utterly different scale from the ones we have experienced so far."

"At the same time, information on the system behind this Grail War propagated throughout the magi of the world."

"Today, variations of the Holy Grail War ritual unfold across every continent. Of course, the majority of them are small in scale, with most only capable of summoning five Servants; even were the ritual itself established, it could not proceed to the point where it could grant any wish."

"The essence of the ritual is unlike any other imitation which copied only the purported purpose of 'granting any wish'."

FateApocrypha LN (Canonrap’s translation {one of the most trusted translaters in the world if you didnt know)

Anime: 

“Its concepts became public knowledge spread far and wide”

“Today, pseudo-Holy Grail Wars are being waged all across the world”

Sources:









}}

sorry the photos arent in order (i put them as photos cause there was too much info to type and its faster this way) these are all from the manga btw ArcaneX (talk) 01:03, February 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's all the same stuff. The term you are using and the term Subcategory are literally the same thing. There is nothing different implied there. EGGS (talk) 02:52, February 21, 2018 (UTC)


 * First of all can you link me your sources as i have mine. Secondly are you stating that both "Francesca Prelati's plan is to spread such rituals through the world of Fate/strange fake." and  the HGW of "'Fate/Labyrinth"  follow ALL the rules that Apocrypha's Pseudo grail wars outlines in my sources? If so please do specify exactly how they fit with the concept and guidelines of a pseudo grail war.


 * ArcaneX (talk) 10:06, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * As I said up above, the one and only source you need can be found at the bottom of the page itself. EGGS (talk) 12:32, February 22, 2018 (UTC)


 * And isn't the idea of Subcategory wars that they can be very different from both the Fuyuki wars and each other. They don't really have a strict set of rules, only being smaller scale than regular wars. So why should the Apo Subcategory wars be differentiated? 109.240.54.18 13:43, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

If the source you are talking about is this (Fate/Apocrypha material - Encyclopedia: Subcategory Holy Grail Wars [Others], p.154-155) then yes I have read it already and it supports my conclusion, however please allow me to restate my thesis as i believe i am confusing you.

What I am saying is not that Subspecies are not pseudo wars but what you currently CLASSIFY subspecies does not hold true to Subspecies/pseudo wars. If you still disagree I would like you to please refer to and read my sources carefully as well as your own source, which does indeed support Pseudo wars being differnent then what you currently CLASSIFY as a subspecies (ie. "Francesca Prelati's plan in fate/strange fake" and "Fate/Labyrinth'", before responding back again please. ArcaneX (talk) 07:03, February 24, 2018 (UTC)'
 * I'm done. Discussion with you is not possible. Please do not bring it up again. I have no problem with you editing anything else, but do not try to talk about this topic again. You are, as I have said, missing some fundamental piece of this puzzle. EGGS (talk) 11:32, February 24, 2018 (UTC)

As you wish to end this dicussion I will do so after this comment. I am rather confused on why you keep responding that i am missing fundamental pieces of information without even quoting your evidence and showing me exactly where it states so. Also (I may be mistaken but) it seems like  keep ignoring my arguments (and reading my sources) meanwhile not liking me you exact source and excerpt from that scource (I looked at the sources at the end of the page but found no quotation that supported Fate/Labyrinth and "Francesca Prelati's plan in fate/strange fake" being Pseudo/Subspecies wars).

If you'd like to enlighten me on how wars like Labyronth's and the ones in Francesca's plans AND my "misssing pieces" then please do so with the proper exerpt/quote from the sources. However as asked i will not repond again after this comment unless told otherwise.

(If no response is given back to this comment I will accept it as you being unable to provide your quotes/exerpts unless said otherwise)

Best Regards ArcaneX (talk) 06:31, February 25, 2018 (UTC)

"Ionioi Hetairoi" should be "Aionion Hetairoi"
I'd like an official verdict on this subject, since I've submitted my reasoning for why "Aionion" is not really a mistake on Type-Moon's side, but nobody had responded to it since then. MarqFJA (talk) 12:30, March 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Like with Jeanne Alter's NP, we're not going to go crazy trying to make everything line up grammatically. The English version of Extella goes with the same spelling, and it will likely be the same with the English Grand Order. EGGS (talk) 13:01, March 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Really? That's weird; you'd almost think they actually took the English translation from the fandom. I guess it can't be helped, even though it's less make it "line up grammatically" and more giving a justification for spelling it the same way it sounds. I do think, however, this reasoning should at least be mentioned on the talk page for the NP in question.


 * ... That being said, by that logic this wiki should be using "Altria" instead of "Artoria" (which I'm against, if only because Nasu and co. explicitly admitted in F/CM3 that they derived her name from Latin "Artorius"). MarqFJA (talk) 13:08, March 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * We did use Altria for a while, but they have used Artoria enough that it's easy to see that it just depends on if the person has knowledge of English, or it's an intern popping it into Google Translate. Also the basis for the name you mentioned. It's basically "Tohsaka vs Toosaka" and "Sajyou vs some variation of it I can't remember." EGGS (talk) 16:32, March 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Jumping in real quick, but they use "Artoria" in Extella, so in terms of "official" English translations, there is no consistency but "Artoria" is closer to the intended name origin.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:08, March 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * IINM, there's also the case of the official licensee for FGO actually suggesting either "Arturia" or "Artoria", yet for some bizarre reason Type-Moon insisted on "Altria". MarqFJA (talk) 18:02, March 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Good points. I only wish something like that would happen for Iskandar's NP; it really irks me whenever I see "Aionion" romanized as "Ionioi" (and I still stand by my suggestion that the wiki's choice of romanization should be clarified somewhere, just like in La Grondement du Haine). MarqFJA (talk) 18:02, March 13, 2018 (UTC)

Minor Image Question
Hello EGGS

Don't suppose you know a way to put previous versions of images in thumbnails or galleries without a separate upload, do you?

Inept Wiki User (talk) 13:19, March 17, 2018 (UTC)
 * You would need to save the older version and upload it as a new image, or revert the image to the older version and upload the newer version as a separate image. EGGS (talk) 13:54, March 17, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thought so. Given that is the case and it requires a separate upload, would it be OK to do so for use on a blog post? (the shift a week ago by Nikonu upset things a little) Inept Wiki User (talk) 14:23, March 17, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, should be no problem. EGGS (talk) 16:52, March 17, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Fujino
I thought her profile mentioned that she was in the same situation as Shiki. Should the 'Pseudo-Servant' category that Nikonu put on her Servant page be removed? 51.9.160.221 22:26, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * Same situation being that they are both humans from the KnK world made into Servants. Shiki is self-made, either unconsciously or due to Void, resulting in a Pseudo-Servant. Fujino is forcibly made one due to the CF. Out of Illya, Kuro, Iri, Fujino, and the two Shiki, only Shiki is ever called a Pseudo-Servant as of now. EGGS (talk) 22:35, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * Understood. While I'm thinking about it, I noticed a couple of instances (and there might be a few more elsewhere) where 'pseudo-Servant' has been used for cases other than those fitting the definition used for Pseudo-Servants. It might be worth looking over the Japanese terms used in those cases and applying an alternative term to them (quasi-Servant, perhaps?). 51.9.160.221 22:49, March 22, 2018 (UTC)

I made a shit edit on the April Fool's page. Apologies. I kinda wanted to get it started. It was on the TMTwitter one, which is a personal favorite.

MichiTF (talk) 01:07, April 3, 2018 (UTC)MichiTF.

Divine Protection → Divine Protection of God
I was reading a translation of David's profile from the Fate Grand Order material books and noticed that his skill "Divine Protection" was called "Divine Protection of God". Going over the kanji 加護 does translate to Divine Protection, but it also has 神の in it as well which translates to "of God" or "God's". So I was wondering if the skill's name should be changed to "Divine Protection of God" or "God's Divine Protection"? Vincent Dawn (talk) 21:20, April 5, 2018 (UTC)

Skill page gone
Hello EGGS

The Skill page has disappeared on my end. Has it done so for you as well?

51.9.160.221 09:07, April 7, 2018 (UTC)

Your edits seem to have done the trick. Any idea what happened? 51.9.160.221 11:13, April 7, 2018 (UTC)
 * Not a clue. Maybe a cache glitch, I guess. EGGS (talk) 11:25, April 7, 2018 (UTC)

Discretion
Sorry to bother you, EGGS, but would it be OK if I discreetly check a few things with you regarding a certain matter which we briefly talked about at the start of the year and was recently tweaked by another (perhaps unaware of the full circumstances behind it)? Inept Wiki User (talk) 23:07, April 9, 2018 (UTC)
 * The Lostbelt vs Lost Belt? Either I was completely mistaken, or they unified them all to Lostbelt later. EGGS (talk) 11:55, April 10, 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay (RL matters). That was the matter I had wished to (discretely) talk about.


 * As I'm sure you know, when those initial descriptions were made at the start of the year, as well as the primary material there were also certain other factors (some unspoken) and uncertainties which had to be considered and were involved in the choices made at the time, and certain possibilities which would need to be assessed further down the line. When the instances across the wiki were changed by the certain user (and a certain anon), by their manner, they seemed somewhat unaware of those circumstances (or if they did, disregarded them) and a little assuming (and perhaps a little forward, though I'm not particularly sure).


 * At the time, I had wondered if I should describe the reasons behind the decisions which had been made beforehand to make things a little clearer and perhaps avoid a few minor problems later on. However I wasn't confident in my ability to convey the circumstances accurately without making a mess of things (one which I wouldn't have had the time to resolve then). Also, given that I wasn't sure if they were of an ill-tempered nature or merely frustrated at the time of the edit, I felt I might perhaps step on a mine if I did so. Also, I wondered if doing so might be going a little bit far than called for. As such, I didn't attempt to do any such explanations and have left the matter alone, though I still have a tiny nagging doubt over it.


 * Do you reckon that this was the best course of action? Inept Wiki User (talk) 00:33, April 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * Oops, missed this. I think it should fine as it is now. Unless there was something other than the Lostbelt vs Lost Belt thing that I didn't see. I think it was just a mistake on my part anyway. I probably saw a subbed version and then got that mixed up for the raw footage. EGGS (talk) 19:52, April 18, 2018 (UTC)

Tauropolos Skia Thermokrasia page
The ruby template is already used in the infobox. Does it have to be used again in the article? I think it's suited for just the infobox. Right now the page just looks weird. 14:57, April 18, 2018 (UTC)
 * Does it look better now? Generally like to have both because it can get pretty tiny in the infobox. Main problem is long NP names sometimes don't line break very well. EGGS (talk) 19:49, April 18, 2018 (UTC)

Just so you know - Copying and Pasting
Hello EGGS

Just so you know, an anon has been expanding the entries for Fate/stay night, Fate/Zero and Tsuhikime, but rather than writing it from scratch they've been directly copying and pasting content from another website

81.132.57.201 20:12, April 23, 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, I'll revert it then. EGGS (talk) 20:15, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Affiliation
Yo. Otaku again. Are ye ever gonna add Fate Fanon to the affiliates list? It's been a few months short of a year since I asked about it. Otakuknight 79 (talk) 23:27, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Regarding Grand Order plans
Hello EGGS

Sorry to bother you again, but there was a little something I need some advice on. I was thinking about making a number of changes to the Grand Order page in order to cover certain bits outside the main chapters. One was the implementation of 'Events and Interludes' sub-sections and tables for the main Singularities to cover the events and interludes which happen within them. The other was a section to cover the stuff which fall under the Grand Order but don't occur in designated Singularities or Lostbelts (e.g. distortions which would become Singularities if left unchecked, distortions in other timelines, dream shifts etc).

In order to assist with the work, I was thinking it would probably be an idea to compile a list of the various events, interludes, and whatnot, together with their nature (Singularity, Singularity candidate, Lostbelts, alternative timeline, dream, other world etc). However I've got a lot of other stuff on my plate at the moment, so I don't think I'll be able to compile it yet. However I was thinking that it would be better to get this done sooner rather than later, so I was wondering if I should seek help from somewhere to compile the list.

Do you think it would be right to seek help on this matter, and if it is, who do you reckon the best people to ask would be?

Inept Wiki User (talk) 12:21, May 7, 2018 (UTC)


 * You could try putting up a new blog. I wouldn't bother with the discussion tab. That was a horrible idea by Wikia. Otherwise offsite, BL would probably be your best bet.EGGS (talk) 19:59, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

Just so you know EGGS, I'm planning to start a thread on Grand Order's talk page concerning a certain term for which there have been multiple translations (with a tentative one being used infrequently here so far), so that it can be collectively decided which one to use on the wiki. I'm also thinking about calling the various translators on the wiki to the thread to discuss the subject.

Inept Wiki User (talk) 15:40, May 27, 2018 (UTC)

Mistakes about Casseur de Logistille
Hello EGGS, sorry to bother you but I noticed that the correction I've made on the Casseur de Logistille page has been promptly reversed back; of course, I was totally expecting that considering I didn't put any source or Username, so I'll try to explain this to you in a more complete way, hoping that an experienced user like you will proprely fix the mistakes that are present on that page.

In the second book of the medieval Roland saga (Raging Roland, the source from which all informations about Astolfo's Noble Phantasms had been taken), written by Ludovico Ariosto in 1523, the paladin reaches the Moon NOT to search HIS own reason, but the one of Roland himself! You see, Roland went completely rampage after he discovered that his dearest princess Angelica had fallen in love with another man: Charlemagne lost his best paladin so Astolfo had to find a cure for his best friend madness: he hops on his hippogriff and reach the Moon, the place where everything lost on Earth, including Roland's wits, can be found and brought back again.

I really don't know why nobody has never found such an important mistake on that page AND in Type-Moon itself, so I hope that you can fix those lines. Astolfo never lost his reason, he even went on searching someone else's!

Here, you can find more information about the Plot even on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Furioso

And here i put the original source translated from Italian by John Harington, bits of the 34th Canto of the poem (http://pinkmonkey.com/dl/library1/book0171.pdf   -   starts from page 1300):

82nd Stanza: It seemd to be a body moist and soft, / And apt to mount by evry exhalation, / And when it hither mounted was aloft, / It there was kept in pots of such a fashion, / As we call jarrs, where oyle is kept in oft: / The Duke beheld (with no small admiration) / The jarrs of wit, amongst which one had writ / Upon the side thereof, Orlandos wit.

83rd Stanza: This vessell bigger was than all the rest, / And evry vessell had ingravn with art / His name that erst the wit therein possest:

...

86th Stanza: The vessell where Orlandos wit was closd, / Astolfo took, and thence with him did beare; / It was far heavier then he had supposd,  / So great a quantity of wit was there; TomsonPRD (talk) 21:46, May 9, 2018 (UTC)
 * Real life/mythology doesn't matter in the context of in-universe lore. The only time something needs to be corrected is if it is translated incorrectly or interpreted incorrectly. Otherwise, the lore in-universe is an interpretation of the real life lore, nothing more. EGGS (talk) 22:05, May 9, 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, well now I totally understand why real-life works don't really matter much, it would actually be a pain to write everything correctly! But couldn't a note be added at the bottom of the page, maybe even the Astolfo one, to point out such an oversight anyway? I'm really sorry if this sound overly assumptive, I'm trying to avoid it as much as possible, but for example Artoria has various infos about the different real legends and the fact he probably lived in the V/VI century and wasn't a woman, just to make things completely clear! I mean, a little note about a big real/in-universe difference might do the trick, it's always pleasing to know the full, revised story. TomsonPRD (talk) 22:59, May 9, 2018 (UTC)
 * Something like that can get too unwieldy to be useful. Servant lore ranges from "quite accurate" to "not at all the same", so pointing out differences in the articles would just get annoying. Feel free to make a blog post of such things. EGGS (talk) 01:53, May 10, 2018 (UTC)

A minor matter
Sorry to bother you EGGS but there was something I thought you should have a look at, just to be safe. When convenient, can you look at the changes made to Magecraft in February, and verify them? I think the user in question means well, but they have an unfortunate history of rewording things in a way which distorts the intended facts and meanings (as well as making pages more messy). 51.6.151.235 14:10, May 28, 2018 (UTC)
 * The changes to the intro? EGGS (talk) 19:51, May 29, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. Just to be sure. 51.6.151.235 20:09, May 29, 2018 (UTC)

Minor Stuff (29/05/2018-)
Can I ask a small favour, EGGS? (providing you are not busy) Inept Wiki User (talk) 20:16, May 29, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you still need it. EGGS (talk) 23:10, June 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you EGGS, and sorry for taking up your time with this. If it is OK, could you have a quick look at this and see if there is anything in particular which is missing or needing revision? Inept Wiki User (talk) 10:02, June 2, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering you EGGS, but could you delete this redirect (it was left behind after an accident)? Inept Wiki User (talk) 17:28, July 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks EGGS. Inept Wiki User (talk) 17:45, July 15, 2018 (UTC)

Medea
hiya im the one who edited the medea wiki. all the stuff i put is Canon? why do you keep removing it.
 * Most of it looks either wrong or outright false. If you have a source for it, please list it here. EGGS (talk) 19:01, June 26, 2018 (UTC)

HIya me from the caster page, the stuff you reverted was correct? im not sure what you want me to do. U said leave it in the talk page and i did so now what? will it be added into the wiki or am i supposed to do another step. because what i said was canon and it was correct

Medea ability Correction ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Hiya, so the Divine words part of this is incorrect? technically the words themselves didnt really hold the power. its much more complicated. i talked to a huge fate fan who translates japenese to english and she explained it like this to me: Divine words are a system of request and recieve which were inacted in the AOG( age of gods). Basically a god or goddess would choose a magus to hold their system ( the divine words) to ask them for things like a request for a phenomina to occure and then the god/goddess would make it happen(if its reasonable). Because in fate atleast the gods were there own entities yes; but they were aswell The things they Ruled over, Ex: Poseidon god, god of sea would literally be the sea so if you had his system of divine words blessed upon u by him; you'd Be able to create phenomina using water. Medea had the System of divine words from hecate, Hecate being the goddess of magic ( Magic Meaning miracles just in general phenominca) Her divine words limited to nearly nothing; as long as its not impossible by the eyes of  gaia/the systems of nature, The divine words request will be Answered and given.

Though since the gods had gone off to the reverse side of the world, the words still work by instead of asking the gods which they ruled over the certain thing, They'd ask the thing it rules over coming out with the same thing basically just instead of the god giving what was asked it would be gaia/the systems of nature.

Ex: if medea were to say " fire ball" in the divine language, gaia/the systems of nature that work with fire and such, would  decide if the person has the Ranking permission to request such a thing.-They would realize yes as the divine language permits them to do it. and they will summon/create the fireball for the person. Either using the mana around them or the persons own mana.

This is allowed as long as the Requested phenomina is not impossible; because that would go to the level of true magic and Even with divine wordss the systems of nature/gaia would not give you that. The higher the scale of reaction,power etc.. is decided by how much influence you have over the systems of nature.

Now for the second thing. The part in her wiki that says she cant use her argon coin( the golden fleece) i believe to be incorrect? I watched the blueray version were they added a special extra scene of her exact summoming. With atrum, i will now reanact it; i watched it a while ago so i dont remember the exact exact words but it goes basically like this.

Aturm: (praise word) i recieved a powerful caster capable of summoning a dragon as their Noble phantasm.

Medea:Why thank you master.. but you see, While i am able to summon the dragon; I can not control it.

End-

She clearly stated herself that she can summon it. im not sure where everyone gets that she cant. let me know if i'm wrong tho.

Should Beast III/R have a separate page from Kiara Sessyoin?
I was just wondering if the Beast III/R section of Kiara Sessyoin's page should be a seperate page entirely (just like her Alter Ego page) since that form only appears in FGO and not in Fate/Extra itself. Or like how Amasuka Shiro's page was eventually split after intially having his Avenger version apart of his page for a bit. Vincent Dawn (talk) 17:50, July 18, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've sort of thought about it. She's technically FGO good-natured Kiara warped into something else, but at the same time she's just basically CCC Kiara reborn. In terms of personality and progression, she's basically just CCC Kiara further evolved. EGGS (talk) 18:52, July 18, 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, I was asking since a fifth material book for FGO will be coming out in August and among the servants in the book Beast III/R (as well as Alter Ego Kiara) will be covered, so I thought it would a good time to bring it up. Also I was wondering if you looked over my previous message about changing David's skill of Divine Protection to Divine Protection of God, since that's what it says in the original Japanese title. Vincent Dawn (talk) 22:06, July 18, 2018 (UTC)
 * If it further differentiates her, then yes, a split can probably happen. Changing the skill name is probably fine. EGGS (talk) 23:58, July 18, 2018 (UTC)
 * Her Alter Ego profile in the fifth mats book was translated and I think it shows that Beast III/R might be her form instead of the original Kiara's. I'm not 100% certain you might want to go over it just to be sure:


 * https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/99xs6n/the_profile_of_sesshouin_kiara_from_fategrand/


 * --Vincent Dawn (talk) 16:26, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

Lostbelt 2 Stuff
Hello EGGS

A few minor questions concerning Lostbelt 2-related stuff:
 * Firstly, I've amended the Noble Phantasm name for Valkyrie, however I wasn't sure which form of would be more desirable here; the more Norse form (given how Ragnarök has been written) or the Anglicized form Lifthrasir?
 * Secondly, would it be OK to adjust the instances of 'Eternal Flame Century' on articles - as it misses out a key bit ('Ice') of the original term?
 * Thirdly, regarding the term which has been put on Valkyrie's page for their second Personal Skill (白鳥礼装, Hakuchō Reisō, possibly connected to the swanskin/dress of swan feathers from the tales)(term put there was Cygnus Essence, presumably from the FGO Wiki) - there is a slight deviation from how part of the term is normally translated on this wiki (specifically 礼装, Reisō, normally translated here as Mystic Code) - is it OK for this case or should it be amended?

Inept Wiki User (talk) 23:41, July 18, 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems like we generally go with the more traditional native language spelling usually. Yes. Probably best to change it. EGGS (talk) 23:58, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

Regarding Berserker (Rani Route Combat Edits)
Hey Eggs, I noticed you reverted the edits I made to that part of the wiki, saying I didn't need to go into detail. But it confuses me, because all of the other wikis for those characters of that game went into great detail or even more. The difference looked like an eyesore for me, so I went ahead and gave it the same treatment. Is it still not worth keeping around?

TypeVampire (talk) 12:59, August 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * This isn't a gameplay wiki, so there is no need to list what effects attacks have in the game, unless it provides some kind of relevant context to the ability. In general, everything should be described from a story-based aspect. EGGS (talk) 13:24, August 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * But still, the others do the same thing and they have no effect on the story. The only ones I remember doing so was Robin Hood and Li Shuwen but other servants of the games have their in game effects intact on the wiki. TypeVampire (talk) 13:35, August 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * That just means those sections should be edited to remove the gameplay-only parts. EGGS (talk) 14:56, August 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * Just to be 100% clear, can you give me an example so I don't end up screwing up again? TypeVampire (talk) 14:58, August 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * If you're describing a skill used by a Servant, focus on a physical description of what the skill does and any associated lore info. You can use relevant gameplay info if it provides some kind of context as to the functions of the skill. EGGS (talk) 15:03, August 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * I see. So basically removing the health and damage numbers. TypeVampire (talk) 15:06, August 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * Just came to ask, I mean I did the edits taking out exactly what you said to remove, yet they're reversed again? What's the problem this time?TypeVampire (talk) 02:53, September 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * Just came to ask, I mean I did the edits taking out exactly what you said to remove, yet they're reversed again? What's the problem this time?TypeVampire (talk) 02:53, September 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * Just came to ask, I mean I did the edits taking out exactly what you said to remove, yet they're reversed again? What's the problem this time?TypeVampire (talk) 02:53, September 15, 2018 (UTC)

Runes of servants
Fate/Grand Order wikia User and Rune translator here, as there have been multiple runes in animations and on Noble Phantasms as Gáe Buidhe and Gáe Dearg, and for example a lot of runes in Skadi's animation, found some more on Excalibur(prototype) and Crocea mors as well and am still doing research on them as some of those runes aren't really existing within the Elder and newer Futhurak as well as Anglo Saxon Runes, which are the only ones I am familiar with.

So the Question is, where and how exactly should I add them on Scathach Skadi#s page? And should/may I add all already used runes to this page using translation and information of runesecrets.com.

As small request besides, I am unsure how the User Talk page work, as I am actually familiar with Message walls, so if it does NOT send me a notification of answer, pls notify me via other means. Thanks.

//tomtomlee 19:54, August 28, 2018 (UTC)

The Twelve
About the whole business concerning the twelve pillars forming the basis of Olympus and the Olympians. Is this the only instance of the extraterrestrial suggestion so far:, or are there others elsewhere? 31.185.38.35 00:36, September 8, 2018 (UTC)

Shielder to Mash Kyrielight
Going over Shielder's article, I was wondering if should be Shielder or be changed to Mash Kyrielight. Her article places her Demi-Servant state in "Forms and Alternate Versions" section as well as her use of the Ortenaus system. Also aside from universe differences in FGO and Fate/Extra Last Encore concerning Demi-Servants, her situation is in away similar to Rin and Rani's in the latter. I'm probably missing something here and that's why I'm asking just to make sure. Vincent Dawn (talk) 04:10, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

The Voice
I was checking out the League of Legends website since I sort of just started getting into it and I noticed that they had little prompts to click of character quotes with voice clips. Fgo wiki does the same thing so I was wondering if you guys ever thought of doing it here? For one, it helps learn a lot about the characters through their speech and mannerisms outside of just watching the show or game clips on YouTube. And to be honest, I'm not going to go to FGOs wiki to learn about characters.

TypeVampire (talk) 19:12, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

Couple of minor things
31.185.38.35 20:29, September 24, 2018 (UTC)
 * Slight spelling error for the new category - it should be Inhabitants.
 * IIRC there was a little bit of uncertainty regarding Anastasia's Yaga-ness - might need to check and verify the relevant point later when time available.
 * Shit, I had fixed the spelling in one tab but must have used the wrong tab to proceed. There's a whole scene where she talks about how she's basically a Yaga internally due to the summoning for whatever reason. EGGS (talk) 23:10, September 24, 2018 (UTC)

I know - this bit. However there was a small piece of uncertainty which needed to be checked and verified - concerning the material being definite together with the mental. It's not particularly urgent but it is something that should probably be checked at some point.

P.S. Do you know of any other extraterrestrial suggestions concerning the twelve Olympians? 31.185.38.35 10:16, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

Top Servants
Hi

I've noticed that you added Cu Chulainn to the list of Top Servants in this article: https://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Servant#Top_Servant

Can you provide a source for this?
 * Last Encore Drama CD. EGGS (talk) 18:34, October 7, 2018 (UTC)

Skills
A few things regarding Skills, EGGS. 217.43.47.240 08:48, October 10, 2018 (UTC)
 * Some of the references on the original page have been broken (a number were broken before the split).
 * Several of the redirects (specifically, skills granted by the Sea of Life) which have been moved to link to the split-off page were previously linking to anchors which have remained in the original article.
 * Judging from information obtained from the Jp wiki, the expansion skills possessed by Bunyan and Melt are one and the same, though it is listed as a Class Skill for Bunyan and a Personal Skill for Melt. It also appears as though the entry which it is currently listed under on the Skill page is somewhat inaccurate (Heroic Spirit Expansion). The term actually appears to be (霊基拡張, Reiki Kakuchō), so within the translation conventions of the wiki, 'Saint Graph Expansion' might be more accurate.
 * Most of the broken references seem to have nothing to fix them, so I'll comment them out as I get to them unless the source is obvious enough to add. Many of the FGO Class Skills aren't actually Class Skills beyond being put there for gameplay purposes, so those will be ported to the personal skills with a note that FGO counts them as Class Skills. Looks like that is correct about Melt and Bunyan. EGGS (talk) 18:16, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

If I may make a small recommendation EGGS, I think it would probably an idea to have corresponding reference names rather than just numbers this time, as it would make it easier to fix in the future. 31.185.38.80 22:06, October 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not the one who inserted the numbers, so I'm just fixing what's there. If someone wants to go through to change that, it would make sense. EGGS (talk) 22:11, October 13, 2018 (UTC)

Questions about references and names
Hi, in the page dedicated to Arcueid, the first reference states "Arcueid's birthday is self-claimed to be December 25th, is there a reason she claims it to be this date?", but the japanese one says "１２／２３", 23rd of December, not 25th. If I remember correctly, in Kagetsu Tohya is written that she in born in the 25th, so is the date written in the japanese reference an oversight?

And the other question is: regarding the name Ionioi Hetairoi, the Ionian area was at the east of Greece, but the Hetairoi were recruited from Macedonia, at the north. So isn't "Aionion" more accurate, given that they are "eternal"? And if it isn't, what does "Ionioi" mean? --Rubinetto (talk) 13:24, October 30, 2018 (UTC)