User talk:Azaghal

Re: Servants
As for the character templates, I'd just remove the entries that are in the characters template from the original wiki article table and put them in the template instead. I think I'll make a special template or an extension of the existing one eventually. I'd also cut the "likes" and "dislikes" cells because they're pretty pointless (and ripped off from Moonlit World too, I think) - if something like that is important, put it in prose, not in a table. As for sourcing, it's always a good idea to note what you can, though your best source will always be the ingame character info, which you might want to double-check against. I definitely know that Wikipedia had Saber's weight wrong a while ago.

But my strongest advice for now is not caring much about formatting (that's easily done later, and I can do all of them fast after the fact), and to check for content accuracy instead, which is more important in the long run. -- grm_wnr Esc  00:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Noble Phantasm template
This is the proposition for NP template:

(Commented out to prevent cluttering the page with the infobox. See source for actual template text)

Azaghal 22:58, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I moved the template to Template:Noble Phantasm and fixed it up (a bit). Feel free to use it. -- grm_wnr Esc  16:47, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for my late reply (I have much less free time recently), but by the looks of it you managed to solve the problem on your own... right? At least it looks right to me now. -- grm_wnr Esc  20:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I mostly fixed it - it now has some duplicate information, but I guess that's acceptable. I don't have the nerve to extensively rewrite it right now. -- grm_wnr Esc  21:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

this wiki needs an admin who's regularly around
and since you are a user who's more or less regularly around, do you think you can apply for adminship for this wiki? User:Grm wnr hasn't edited since early January, and User:InsaneZero not since last year September... -Afker All hail AliceSoft! 22:51, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If you have any questions on MediaWiki related stuff, I should be able to help, as I admin the AlicSoftWiki and have quit some experience. If InsaneZero doesn't get back to you, you can contact the Wikia Community team.  According to this article, you are pretty qualified for the job I think (-: -Afker All hail AliceSoft! 23:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Colon
Hi, IP here. A return in the title isn't conclusive to say whether or not the name has a colon when it's on one line. I'll look at the official websites. --Raijinili 01:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, if you find some evidence about it, article can always be renamed/moved. I went with the naming scheme from other MB articles to keep consistency, but I could have been wrong. A quick look at the official site from Wikipedia article (that uses a colon btw) at shows it being spelled simply "MELTY BLOOD Act Cadenza Ver.B", but it could be different with some other sources. --Azaghal 01:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * confirms no colon. --Raijinili 03:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Site icon.
This site's favicon doesn't seem to work with Firefox's search engine saver. Isn't that curious? --Raijinili 00:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed that. Dunno why it is that way, but looking randomly at the few other Wikia wikis, they have the same problem... If you keep the engine selection menu opened long enough, it will grab the default Wikia favicon, but never the favicon displayed at the address bar... Azaghal 01:06, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yugioh and The World Ends with You work, from what I have. Looking into known bugs, but I'm not finding any hints so far. --Raijinili 04:16, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The .ico had three layers. I removed two of them and made it redder (to increase visibility) and uploaded at Image:Favicon replacement.ico. --Raijinili 05:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I checked Dragon Ball and Gears of War, since the links were right on the bottom of the page, and both didn't work. Anyway, if it really was due to layers, then you found the problem quite nicely :) . I posted on Grm_wnr's Talk Page and asked him to look into this and change the favicon if appropriate (since the favicon page is protected and normal uses can't edit it). --Azaghal 11:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I got admin rights from the main Wikia staff and uploaded the new favicon from Image:Favicon replacement.ico. Unfortunately, It didn't help (I tried clearing cache but to no avail). I'm still getting the default Wikia icon... --Azaghal 12:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Before checking this page, I got the same result when looking at the "Add" option. It made me search a few minutes in vain to try to find a bug report for it, but when I gave up and just added TMW back, the icon changed to the red moon. --Raijinili 05:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow, same thing here. That is weird in a kinda creepy way, but at least it works now. --Azaghal 11:22, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Uploaded a new version to Image:Favicon replacement.ico. --Raijinili 23:34, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested transfer of adminship
I put in a request on Wikia to transfer adminship to you. --Raijinili 12:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, this should speed things up. I tried some time ago to get the wiki founder to give me admin rights, but he went MIA, and until now there really wasn't any work that required administrative rights to be done, so I let it slide... --Azaghal 13:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikia:Wikia:Adoption requests. --Raijinili 17:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Added the request. Hopefully it will go through. --Azaghal 23:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Good luck, I'd be really glad to see you get it (-: -Afker All hail AliceSoft! 01:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Might as well, right?
Category:Delete --Raijinili 16:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, thaks for heads up. --Azaghal 23:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

CSS change to fix the Fate/ pages
Add this to MediaWiki:Common.css: body.ns-0 #contentSub .subpages { display:none; } I would prefer to do it on each page individually, or only on Fate/ pages, but I can't figure out how to do that. --Raijinili 17:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, though I can's see the difference yet, even with clearing my cache. Common.css is loaded to pages through "MediaWiki:Common.css&usemsgcache=yes&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=86400", which forces it to reload at least once every 24 hours (86400 seconds), so it should fix itself after that period... Also, nice find with that fix :) --Azaghal 23:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA ILLYA?
Is this official? If not, should there be a Category:Fanwork or should we just have Cat:Doujin and assume that's all fanwork? --141.155.12.146 19:29, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, TYPE-MOON's involvement with it's production is probably minimal, but it's official spin-off published by Kadokawa and endorsed by T-M (they are credited as 'Original Creators'). Being a spin-off, it doesn't really infringe on T-M's canon, too. Personally, I'm against Fanwork/Doujin category, at lest while there's so much official info (mostly backstory stuff) that is still missing from this wiki or is just dumped/unsorted... --Azaghal 20:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages
According to Special:Disambiguations, the software will list an article on that page if it uses a template linked to (rather than just listed, I'm assuming) on MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage. That page is protected, though.

I think we should use the built-in disambig stuff since it's already there, and that means that there has to be a Template:Disambig. --Raijinili 00:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a pretty big and conspicuous tag. Why not just modify the wikia:template:disambig template? --Raijinili 01:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just about to respond here that I just copied Category:Disambiguations and Template:Disambig from starter Wiki to see if it works, but you beat me to it. Anyways, we have to wait until the cache clears to see if it appears on Special:Disambiguations. But you are right, wikia:template:disambig is much more lightweight, I'll put that one instead. --Azaghal 01:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

nvm
nvm. --SolarAdept 18:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Updating the "Nasu Encyclopedia (ja)" link
I totally forgot about this, but a month or two back the Jonnobi glossary switched hosts for whatever reason, so the Sidebar link should be updated. The new link: --CanonRap
 * Thanks for the heads up. To tell the truth, I had the new link for a week or so, but couldn't find WHERE was it linked from on the wiki (it didn't occur to me that it was on the sidebar ^^; ). -Azaghal 20:03, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Real names instead of Servant Class?
To sum it up, I've always wondered why, say, Medusa's article is "Rider (Fate/stay night)" aside from the fact that it was imported from Wikipedia. I know that as presented to the audience she is a Servant first and foremost, but this is a wiki, and we obviously include information beyond that. Why is she presented as a Servant first and Medusa in her 'past life' second, instead of Nasu's take/interpretation of Medusa (who once became a Servant)?

Again, the Servant names may be representative of these characters, but they certainly have/had lives beyond that. IMO it would be better to just have the, eg. "Rider" page have two sections/headings, each a short blurb on the summoned spirit, which links to the main 'character' article, which itself will have a "Servant Rider" section or something like that.

And in terms of editing, it would be a lot less hassle if one didn't need to refer to a specific Rider and instead just say "Medusa" (or use "Medusa#Servant Rider | Rider" as the link text if it is specifically relevant to her role as a Servant).

Tell me if this is just overexaggerated needless nitpicking. --CanonRap


 * No, constructive criticism is always appreciated :)


 * There was a short discussion about servant article names at Beast's Lair thread when this wiki was first made (in those first few days, all wiki-related discussion was held in that thread, and I was just a minor user). My proposal to use "Caster (5th Grail War)" instead of "Caster (Fate/stay night)" didn't go through and we just copied Wikipedia convention.


 * Now, I'm against using true names as article titles, simply because all characters refer to Servants by their classes (Gilgamesh being a notable exception, which is reflected by his article name). Shirou never calls Saber Arturia, not even during ero scenes or smut moments, and class names are always used as proper names in-game (again, with exception of Gilgamesh).


 * As a side note, you CAN use Medusa and Iskander, as they are both redirects to respective articles. Medusa works as it should too. If you find a Servant's true name not linking, that just means nobody added a redirect, so please add a redirect page (like this one) yourself. -Azaghal 16:06, September 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, the direct link thing is actually secondary, I just want to see characters use their real names instead of Servant classes. I know it's not actually that big an issue (or an issue at all, actually...) and just a personal peeve... ah well. --CanonRap

Fix
azaghal, soory about this but could you do me a favor? i kinda mess the article about saber. could you fix it up for us? sorry. but i was just starting. very sorry for destroying saber's page. --Unsigned comment by Jeiru01
 * Fixed, check your talk page --Azaghal 18:35, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

thank you very much! well, i was trying to add something in that area. and seems like i typed somewhere where i shouldn't have. thank you very much!

Quality
Now, please understand that I don't mean this in any rude way. I also have no experience beyond watching one episode of Fate-stay, so there may be very good reasons for this.

Most of the articles here are written with the quality of a mechanical translator (ex. Type Saturn), and it is hard to tell when information is from the anime or from mythology (ex. Gilgamesh).

If the policy for articles is to write them as translations of some official Japanese data book, then that's reasonable, but if not, the articles should be written in a style that makes them clear to the uninitiated - i.e., you should be able to read the article to a friend and have them understand the basics. For an example, take a look at this article for a Devil May Cry character, and compare it to Type Saturn or Mercury.

I would also suggest the use of this nihongo template as a replacement for your wiki's current method of pasting Japanese text.

Again, I'm sorry if this sounds offensive or patronizing. If you like the advice, please use it, if not, then don't. Have a good day! Glorious  CHAOS!  01:40, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * A number of articles were direct translations of official info books, yes. I (Byakko, not Azaghal, just taking off from your question, I'm not answering for Azaghal) translated a bunch of them myself with explicit mentions of where the info was coming from, and then other people copy-pasted info from a site held by another person that had direct translations of the same info books, and I believe a third and fourth person has been trying to add more direct translations of some well recognized fansite directly based on more info books. All of these info books were written in that manner ("mechanical" writing) so yes, that's normal. ... And then other people messed with the translations, didn't put any reference to what book or what game or what novel each piece was a translation of, and so on, and it went down the gutter with no reference anywhere save for some specific articles. --Byakko 13:59, January 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Byakko said most of the important stuff, but just to address a few more of your points: -We have our own Template:Nihongo that's identical to the one from DMC Wiki (both were copied from Wikipedia original), and we are trying to use it as much as possible. The problem is, a large portion of articles was copied from other sources, so we have a mashup of formatting styles that we weren't able to even out yet. -In the Gilgamesh article there's no border between character info and mythology because they are both true. FS/N Gilgamesh is THE Gilgamesh and all the myths about him are true. Out-of-universe mythology is explicitly marked as such as in the case of Caliburn. -What you called "mechanical" translation came from the need to keep as much as the original ambiguity as possible. Whenever somebody tried to rewrite an article to make it more readable, it lead to endless discussions, edits wars and whatnot. We try too keep things as closer to original as possible, and leave the interpretation to fans. Blame Nasu for doing the same thing in every TM encyclopedia, interview or supplementary material ever. -Constructive criticsm is always welcomed :) --Azaghal 00:26, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Welcome
I honestly didn't expect such a quick response to my edit. To be honest, I just signed up to ask a question about the source of a certain statement in the Magus article, since I don't like being labeled as 'unregistered contributor'. Yeah, just a tic of mine. I've been lurking around and reading articles for the past month and a half, as part of my job of doing research into Nasuverse information. Well, um, I guess I should say hi, then. ^.^ -- Norfür 02:05, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. ^.^; Well, I'm kinda embarrassed that I mistook an automated welcome for an actual one. Still, getting a live welcome message makes up for it. XD Thanks for that verification, by the way. I just needed to know, because it was part of my project. ~.~ -- Norfür 09:12, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the link to the talk. page. haha I noticed it didn't indicate that it was from the Artbook awhile back and it confused me before I knew it was part of it, although I didn't know how to make a link yet haha.