Talk:Avenger (Fate/hollow ataraxia)

What are his stats? 77.126.235.81 20:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)Solar
 * Low. Very low. They are never released, but we can assume that they are either all E or E—, or too low to be ranked on the scale. --Murderofcrows 00:46, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Third War?
It comes to my attention that Fate/Zero generally implies Jubstacheit von Einzbern was Avenger's master in the third war, so how do we go about adding that to the Infobox?
 * We don't because that's false. --Byakko 02:28, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it is simply a translation error or not, but Iri does say "During the previous Heaven’s Feel, not only did Grandfather Acht lose his Servant" during volume three. EGGS 02:55, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have the book on hand ATM but she said that the same way an Einzbern Master 60 years later would say Acht lost Saber in the 4th War (ignoring not only Irisviel but also Kiritsugu). Remember, they're total control freaks, Acht is the family head since the days of Justizia, and there's no reason he'd go to war himself when he can just have a homunculus do it. He also definitely had a hand in trying to cheat the system to summon "the devil", so you can see why she'd say "his" Servant. But there's no way and no reason he fought by himself, that's just not how the Einzbern family does things (and also that's just how homunculus n° 54926 Irisviel would say it). ... Also, looking at the text at Baka-Tsuki, the whole section it's in is rather poorly worded. An example of why translations of a translations with interpretations inbetween are bad. --Byakko 12:25, November 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually Acht hasn't been around Since Justica, he's been around since the second war, but there's nothing saying he was alive in her time. Also you say there's no reason, but after failing in the second war, the old "Do it yourself" saying springs to mind, especially since he would be a very powerful magus, had planned to arm himself with a powerful servant that would require a lot of prana to maintain and he would make an appropriate guard for the vessel, which at that time wasn't a living creature but an actual physical grail. Further more Irisviel was more than just another homunculus, she was the new vessel, a mother and pretty independant. Making her less likely to put a generalisation on it. I personally find your argument a tad presumptuous as you state what you think the Einzbern would or wouldn't do, as opposed to just saying there isn't enough evidence for it. Hawkeye2701 17:05, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Angra Mainyu Redirect to Avenger
Why does Angra Mainyu redirect to Avenger if the article says Avenger is NOT Angra Mainyu? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Todd-sama 19:42, June 18, 2012 (UTC)