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I never said he needed his Chariot to win, I was saying it would be hard if not impossible to hit him while he's on it, secondly again I say he is faster than everyone here, with or without the Chariot, It out is out right said and I quote"Achilles's speed is equated to instantaneous movement" Last I checked Medusa can't move that fast, and thirdly I said that I agreed that if she used it and caught him then she wins, but Achilles has more things in his favor like the fact he would blitz her, is more powerful than her, Achilles and Medusa have the same rank in Riding, what is stoping him from just knocking her off Bellerophon and using it himself?
Not how Noble Phantasms work, he doesn't have an NP theft NP and the Pegasus she uses is literally her child, it would throw him off. How does Achilles fight hm? Melee right? He can cover distanct instantly, but he still fights at close range, making him 100% vulnerable to either Breaker Gorgon (which doesn't need Line of Sight) or Cybelle, as both only require him to be close for a moment, and he needs to stop to actually connect an attack.
Okay then thanks for answering the first question, because has been something I've been wondering eversence Ushi Gozen took control the snake Koga Saburo summoned. But back to this yeah he fights close range and he's not going to give her the chance to breath much less use either Breaker Gorgan or Cybelle, Do you really think he won't just run her throgh while charging, or just oh I don't know cut her to ribbons faster than she can react, for reference on how insalny out classed she is for this like I said before She has admitted that she stood no chance against Cu Chulainn, and Cu Chulainn is capable of bringing Achilles to a draw meaning the two of them are on or near the same level, meaning if she has no chance agasint Cu then same goes for Achiles. Like have said I agree with you on her winning if she uses Cybelle but she would need to do it while he's fighting someone else or use it the moment the fight starts.
He can't cut her to ribbons faster than she can react, his speed advantage is nowhere near that high, he only has a + on her in Agility and he's never used Dromeus to speed blitz a servant before so clearly it isn't unreactable, and you are totally ignoring Achilles's personality.
When he fought in Apocrypha there were times where he stopped to snark because he's confident in Andreias Amarantos, and with her Divinity being at a level best stated at "basically not there" he's gonna be confident that she can't do anything, and then she can use either instant win, which she only held off from in FSN because she either had 0 energy because she'd been cursed to have to deal with Shinji, was fighting people Sakura seriously didn't want to harm and knew Sakura would HATE her if she actually killed, or fighting someone who could resist both Cybele and Breaker Gorgon.
She's bad aginst Cu because Cu is a monster slayer and she's a monster, Achilles is a human killer.
Okay now this is something I can agree on more, I forgot that Cu was a monster slayer because it's hardly ever brough up, and I was thinking Achilles could speed blitz considering the fight with Atalanta alter were he charged right at her and ran her through. Admilty yes I did forget that this man is confident in his Andreias, so yeah now there is a more believable chance that she can get him espicly if he doesn't realize in time. I would honestly say it's 50/50 between the two of them, because lets face it this is bascialy only a fight between Medusa and Achilles as both would wipe out Iskandar and his army and Astolfo, well he's Astolfo. he's got some impressive feats but he is not winning against Achilles or Medusa.
Astolfo has a lot of useful tricks, but he's not great in a straight up fight 1v1 against an actual 1v1 expert.
Iskander would 100% fall for Cybele, and his army wouldn't be too dangerous for her seeing as she could just use Belerophon or literally just use her speed to avoid them until she can kill Iskander and make the Reality Marble drop. DO I even need to point out that Ionioi Hetairoi is, let's be real, useless against Achilles even if he didn't have his Chariot he could use to just run them over.
Atalanta was midair so she couldn't use her speed, was completely insane, and he still took hits doing that.
Yeah Ionioi Hetairoi is good for overwelming someone with numbers if they can't handle it or against another group, but Againts some like Achilles it's just a warm up for him, none of them can harm him, he's faster than all of them, fought in the trojion war and is the second strongest hero in Greece being only second to Heracles, But yeah Achilles and Medusa would absoluty slaughter Iskandar, his army and Astolfo. Thank you for clarfiyfing, I knew was insane at the time and that he took hits, but I honeslty though she was on like a piece of rubble or something.
Achilles being cocky about Andreias Amarantos isn't generally a flaw, he can't be harmed by a vast majority of Servants, and even if he does get hit and injured he isn't less able to heal it and as long as it doesn't hit his heel he still has his protection.
Atalanta was in freefall when he ran her down, but given the whole scene she may very well have knocked herself off the top of the pillar she was on from the recoil of firing her bow, or the explosions of her arrows when Achilles threw Diatrekhōn Astēr Lonkhē at them knocked her off, but she was freefalling.
You probably forgot Cu was a Monster Slayer because he's also a human slayer. He's an everything slayer. If he sees it he will absolutely try to kill it, and generally he's got good odds.
Yeah so it comes down, is Achilles going to realize in time that he can't toy around with Medusa, or his cockyness about Andreias Amarantos going to get him turned to stone.
If he realizes who she is and what she's going for he's got a good chance, but since she can probably get like, 5% damage through Andreias, he'd likely stop to talk.
The way I see it playing out is she hits him while he's, I dunno, bullying Astolfo, it does little more than fuck all, he, let's say kicks her away, follows after her to talk because wow she's sure legally got some divinity, she drops Breaker Gorgon while she's recovering because she now knows she can't win this in a normal fight, and then all she has to do is look up at him, and if he doesn't immediately realize she's Medusa, which I don't think he would since he likely would expect a monster, not a beautiful woman, he doesn't look away, close his eyes, or otherwise avoid seeing Cybele, that's it.
What do you think?