"Is Aoko a magus or soemthing else?" she's a magician (uses magic), but as pointed out at the top of the Magic article, magic is what magi want to achieve - she uses magic, but she's also a magus. I believe the magecraft (beside her magic, the fifth) she uses bears the names Starmine and Starbrow (at least those are the names of her ReACT attacks I think it was), but we know nothing about both her magecraft and her magic anyway, so we don't know where stops which and where begins the other. Byakko 01:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Alright thanks for that clarification. -- Shintis 03:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
"She only has 1 circuit" Edit
Where is it stated that Aoko only has 1 circuit? I haven't been able to find it in any of the online Japanese resources. Most say some variation of the below:
She is extremely skilled in the effective use of prana; compared to normal magecraft users, her use of energy is about 100 times more efficient.
One might compare her abilities to "a car that can run 1000 kilometers on 1 liter of gasoline."
In terms of prana circuits and as a magecraft user, she was born at extremely average capacity.
Though in terms of skill as a magecraft user she is no better than a novice, her body's efficiency in utilization rate of prana is 100 times the normal.
Is the 1 circuit thing a product of fanon? Or is there some source that I haven't seen yet? If so, can somebody link it?
-- Fallacies 11:17, October 9, 2011 (UTC)
Faulty Word of God Edit
Per her abilities section right now, "Caster (Medea) would beat Aoko in a fair fight," and yet we know that "Aoko can fight Arcueid on even grounds to the point of Arcueid not wanting anything to do with her because she's bad news".
Are we impying Caster (Medea) could take Arcueid on?
It seems that this page is either grossly overstating Aoko's abilities, or grossly understating them, and I don't think we can trust "Word of God" from a decade ago when it isn't even consistent with its own universe. If Aoko can make Arcueid nervous, we have to aknowledge there is no way Caster (Medea) could dent her; but likewise, if Caster (Medea), one of the weakest Heroic Spirits presented to date, is supposed to be able to defeat Aoko, we have to aknowledge that Melty Blood's script is wrong and Arcueid has no reason to be nervous about Aoko.
Let's look at the facts:
Rin Tohsaka can take Caster (Medea) on in a straight fight and defeat her due to martial arts and diversion. Rin is a good Magus, but her output can't match Aoko's, who can raze buildings down with her magic and fight people like Kishima Kouma physically. In that regard we could say Aoko is like Rin but better in every category. This doesn't account for her True Magic.
We also know Aoko is powerful enough that Arcueid, one of the most powerful beings on Earth, tells Shiki she's bad news and to avoid her. The Melty Blood script implies Aoko can inflict Arcueid's first loss in a long time.
So... really, "Caster can beat Aoko in a fight"? Word of Go d or not, it seems awfully inconsistent with everything. I don't think we should be worshipping everything Nasu says because the guy seems to say an awful lot of one-off statements that don't hold.
- I assume it has something to do with their capabilities not really matching. Arcuied and Aoko are mainly "anti-unit" fighters when it comes down to it. They're able to go at each other in a direct battle with similar outputs. We don't really know how their fights works anyway. I believe there is a more exact quote about it, but I haven't been able to find it. I think it is something like Arc is stronger, but Aoko has some way to make it so she doesn't lose.
- Rin vs Caster isn't a good example. Caster was simply using one spell at a time to play with Rin, and she got too careless by letting her get close. In actuality, she pretty much has "anti-army" beamspam that could probably easily annihilate Rin even if she used all ten jewels in one single blast. I think that is where she has the advantage over Aoko. While one of her spells might be stronger than one of Caster's, she cannot possibly keep up with Caster's large output in an all out magecraft battle. EGGS 21:59, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Medea can use her Argos to protect herself from any physical, magic or NP attack of rank B and below. Aoko was said to be able to fire quickly but her magic attacks aren't rank A in power and couldn't penetrate Argos. Medea can also "wash away" rank A magic if needed. The only possible way for Aoko to do anything would be to get in melee range and possibly pierce casters Argos but I don't see how Medea would let her get so close.
- As for Aoko vs Arcuied you have to remember that Arc was only a shell of her former self after being "killed" by Shiki. She also has bad compatibility with Aoko in terms of range in combat. What we don't know is if her magic resistance was weakened after being killed since Arc is usually invulnerable to modern magecraft and most conceptual weapons. 188.8.131.52 09:53, September 19, 2013 (UTC)Scorpion
- I should point out out that while Arcuied could be invulnerable to modern Magecraft, Medea is from the Age of Gods in which magic from that era is by far more powerful than modern Magecraft, even coming close to the 5 True Magics of the current era, also, wasn't Arcuied weakened already after drinkign Roa's blood since she now had to use some of her power to supress her urge to drink blood. Given this Aoko knows one of the True Magics (5th) which could put her on even ground with Arcuied but Medea has magic which almost equals Magic so she could counter the 5th with an equal spell and attack with another
- Memor-X (talk) 22:40, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
- Chill out dude.
- Nasu power level does not work like math. In math, If A>B, and B>C, then A>C.
- In Nasuverse, that does not work. Everything works by compatibility.
- For example, Berserker > EMIYA, EMIYA > Gilgamesh. Is Berserker > Gilgamesh? LOL NO.
- Are you getting the drift? Waifu slayer (talk) 22:52, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
The lines was places more like the game. In the end, the format doesn't change the meaning. However, replaying this part of the game, I think it's necessary to rethink about the lines of the poem. Since Aoko is "talking with the Lord of Creation", or more like "N-Words", she is "talking with the Root", every word it's a part of her declaration, and her declaration is her answer. Using the Pbworks translation, it would be more like:
“Hear me, Lord of Creation” “But,” “Yeah, well” “But, just because of that,” “I tell thee.”
“In my name representing order (blue), I tell thee” (not sane) “All is right” (five timeless words) “The order has fallen” “It’s over. For me and for you.”
And this part. -> “It’s over. For me and for you.”
It's directed not only for Touko. Here, Aoko concludes her declaration and assume the "answer" that Alice asked many times and even herself had questioned about. Aoko makes the decision to not run anymore and takes the power of Magic that was granted at the moment that her grandfather elect her for the next head; and even that "for you", serves to the Red Shadow.