Roka Ibunshi GenshōEdit
It is just over two months since the release of Lostbelt No.1, and as such we have more information and context concerning a certain term. With that in mind, I thought it would probably be an idea to call upon the wiki's translators and users, in order to determine what the wiki is going to use for the term 濾過異聞史現象 (Roka Ibunshi Genshō), which refers to the invasion of the world of the Greater History of Man by the Lostbelts, brought about by the Alien God. At present, the term is only used in a few places and has a temporary translation as a placeholder until a proper one is decided.
I have assembled information below from various places to assist with this:
- Components and previous translations
- 濾過 Roka: Filtration, Filtering, Percolation
- 異聞史 Ibunshi: History of strange tales (in the same sense as a Lostbelt (異聞帯, Ibuntai?) is a 'belt/band of strange tales')(alt. different history, apocryphal history, lost history), Foreign element/Outsider (previous, mechanical?)
- 現象 Genshou: Phenomenon
- Various translations from different places, to be assessed:
- Filtering Outsider Phenomenon (Current Temporary Placeholder )
- Lost History Percolation Phenomenon (Fallacies/You)
- "Phenomenon of the filtering (in) of an apocryphal history" (Fallacies, Direct)
- Filtering Alternate History Phenomenon (Taiboo)
- Outsider Filtering Phenomenon (Raizu Stash)
- Foreign Encroachment Phenomenon (Video source lost)
- Lost History Filtering Phenomenon ()
Separation, Refinement and Problems Edit
Given the circumstances surrounding the page and its contents, a separation into subpages based upon Part 1, Part 1.5 and Part 2 timeframes seems like a good idea.
The History sections could do with considerable refinement. Although the user who added them may have had good intentions, they are excessively large and sloppy in quite a lot of places (at least one part was a lazy cut and paste from another site's summary).
There are a number of problems with the recent separation of individual Singularities. Aside from a number of naming matters, the separator hasn't made any adjustments to the anchor and link system which the page's creator put in place.
184.108.40.206 22:19, December 10, 2019 (UTC)
- If there's anything particularly egregious, feel free to gut it and link to this discussion. I don't think we really have too many people interested in copy-editing, so throwing anything sub-par into the fire to encourage a better summary in the future would be best. In terms of links, redirects, and whatnot, I figure waiting until the split is complete is best to see what and where links were used. Realistically, redirects were hopefully used in most cases, so it should be an easy enough transition. EGGS (talk) 02:23, December 11, 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry that i was excessive. I'll work to remove plot irrelevant stuff from the history sections, such as interpersonal stuff, and cut it down in general. Again sorry for being excessive. I just do it without realizing about it too much. Also I'm not sure about any anchors or links regarding the split. Incub7 07:12, December 11, 2019 (UTC)
When you come round to splitting the Lostbelts off, Incub7, please use the following - Russian Lostbelt, Scandinavian Lostbelt or Norse Lostbelt, Chinese Lostbelt, Indian Lostbelt, Atlantic Lostbelt, [[English Lostbelt]], [[South American Lostbelt]]. 220.127.116.11 11:34, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- I'd prefer to use the official names out-of-universe names rather than in-universe designations. Nobody is going to actually call America the "E Pluribus Unum Singularity" in a general conversation, but E Pluribus Unum is still the name the article should be under. If the subtitles weren't so long in English, it'd realistically be better to do the full thing like the Japanese, but going from ten characters in Japanese to like fifty in English doesn't really make for a good page title. EGGS (talk) 17:21, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- Just so it is known, I have carried out multiple searches in Japanese, and I have located instances on official media where the in-universe designation are used to refer to the Lostbelt and have found instances with the chapter title being used to refer to the Lostbelt (usually the whole chapter title and subtitle at once), as well as usage of the numerical designation (i.e. Lostbelt No.1, Lostbelt No.2 etc). There are absolutely no instances where they have been referred to in the form of the short chapter title ahead of '_Lostbelt' (i.e. no official usages of 'Anastasia Lostbelt', 'Gotterdamerung Lostbelt', 'SIN Lostbelt' etc have been found). The only possibility for those which remains is one which is rather dubious. 18.104.22.168 18:25, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, that's a liberty we need to take due to the above mentioned issue with page name length. The page name should be "Subtitle: Area name" or "Area name: Subtitle" depending on how we want to stylistically render it, but that just doesn't work in English. So without the subtitle, we're left with the area name only, but that doesn't independently work due to stuff like London, Anastasia, Fuyuki, etc being general terms as well. So the options are "X Singularity/Lostbelt" or "X (Singularity/Lostbelt)." Rather than have the Singularities and the Lostbelts have different sets of names, it's more sensible to have the page name match the official designation. EGGS (talk) 20:07, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- The area designations (e.g. Russian Lostbelt) and the numerical designations (e.g. Lostbelt No.1) are official designations (both in and out of universe), and as far as I see it, the most sensible options. More to come. 22.214.171.124 20:30, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- Depending on how you look at it, there may not be so much of a problem. Going to write a long post detailing things - this will probably take a while and it is getting late. I will make note of one thing here and now though (from one way out of several ways); while similar, a Lostbelt is different from a Singularity. 126.96.36.199 22:27, December 23, 2019 (UTC)