Talk: Nero Claudius

regnum caelorum et gehenna

Is it really written like that in Latin alphabet or is that a transliteration from katakana?
Because to be proper Latin it would have to be "regnum caelorum et gehennae" (and in all caps), and would mean "A kingdom of hevean and hell" (if one takes a bit of liberty with the translation of gehenna) --Azaghal 18:21, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

It is both in proper Latin and katakana. --Libra00 03:09, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Too bad then. I was hoping they got it right. --Azaghal 03:14, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Recent Changes

EGGS, was there really any point at all behind it? You just changed the text style to one that doesn't quite fit and did not add anything new at all. --Libra00 09:24, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

That's exactly the point. All of the character articles need to match a general format, and leaving directly translated text as is doesn't really fit that standard. EGGS 15:31, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Saber class

I realize it's not strictly neccasary for the game, but I've been trying to find out if the actual Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus was at all skilled in swordsmanship, or fighting of any kind. I found something that claimed he had an "aversion to battle", but not whether or not he had any skill at being personally involved in it. Does anyone know anything about his combat skills? WestleyCole 00:29, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Not really, Nero was more a political leader, though a fairly strong one. He focused more in commerce and the people instead of military conquest, he left that to the generals of his army. He was at least to some extent a competant rider, taking to a one horse chariot to ride and even surviving a near fatal fall from a ten horsed chariot. However this Nero's Skill Imperial Privilege makes up for her lacking talent in combat. Basically allowing her to fake her lacking skill in those areas. On that note her weapon and phantasm are based entirely on major events in Nero's history. The Domus Aurea was Nero's signature construction project during his reign and the sword Saber wields is a flame-shaped blade with a quote which seems to refer to the Great Fire of Rome. Hawkeye2701 04:11, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I guress they wanted to reimagine him a bit, besides being female. The other male Hero they made a female was fictional, someone loved and well-known for swordsmanship. It only makes sense that the next time it would be someone who was real, hated, and not known for such things. WestleyCole 19:43, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Saber's Age

After finishing off Julius, she mentioned that she was Nero. And then the protagonist said something about an Empire resting at the shoulder of Nero at Age Seventeen.

So yeah, it says that Nero is just Seventeen.

Agrippina

Where are the pictures from? And if there's a Manga, could someone send it to me? Zahadrin (talk) 21:47, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Those are two random images from the manga that someone posted. I don't know if raw scans are available. EGGS (talk) 21:54, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

So the Manga has not really been overly released then? Zahadrin (talk) 22:53, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Gender

Do we know if her being female was public knowledge in her time? What about in-universe history; does it record her as male or as female? MarqFJA (talk) 23:45, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

I think it would have been public knowledge, maybe not at the very start but people would have to have known she was a woman when she killed that lion while naked,

"She has a certain fixation on Heracles, causing her to create a legend after publicly strangling a lion with a rear naked choke in an attempt to emulate him by reenacting his exploits"

Plus she didn't have the help of a Magus like Merlin to make her into a Psudo Male unlike Arturia, plus also if what Nero wears during Fate/Extra is what she wore in life then it's hard not to confuse her as a woman which her chest size unlike Arturia who's armour kinda hides her chest

In terms of the how history was recorded, Gwain refers to her as the Whore of Babylon which would normally be associated with a woman wouldn't it

"Due to her legend, others, such as Gawain, refer to her as the "Whore of Babylon" as an insult."

Since King Arthur came after Nero one could assume that history recorded Nero as a woman. however even if history at Gwain's time knew her as a woman, over time because of her personality and actions could have caused history to become skewed in her legend to protray Nero as a man due to human perspection, kinda like with Dracula/Vlad, but because the Moon-Cell is unaffected by human perspection when it records history it summoned her as she truly was. i would guess that if she was summoned in the Fuyuki Holy Grail Wars it would be the same since she would have been retreved from the Throne of Heros since Arthur was recorded to be a man but Arturia was still summoned.

Regardless of speculation re:how she came to be viewed after her death and...quoting the wiki (which is a odd thing to do. He is on the wiki. He can read), the game doesn't seem to treat "Nero is a girl" as a secret. If I recall correctly, when learning that Saber is Nero, Hakuno doesn't exactly go "wait, aren't you supposed to be a dude?" or anything of the like. I think the most it gets is that one point, she comments on how she wore men's clothing as well as women's, but I also recall her mentioning that she didn't go out of her way to hide her gender. And yes, unlike with Francis Drake, whose Matrix info outright says that "yes, we know Drake was a dude, but he's a girl here", the Matrix bios for Saber doesn't note anything of the sort and refer to her with female pronouns throughout.--Otherarrow (talk) 05:44, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Images

Alright, I know I've been going on about the overemphasizing of Grand Order on the wiki, but I understand that it's current thing and there is a lot of content, so it has its place on the wiki. What I think is going to far, however, is how most Servants have art of all of their Grand Order stages shoved into the infobox...which is largely unnecessary, seeing as aside from the Stage 4 being a standalone art piece, it's just the same art with minor variations added to the design. I've suggested before that we just include art of the stage closest to the "iconic" design for the character, then treat the rest the same way we do alternate costumes (sometimes): move them to the gallery in the Appearance section. What is happening here is that existing problem taken to its (il)logical conclusion: Saber's art from EXTRA (and in a later revision, CCC and Extella), the game (series) she originates from, is being removed/shoved into the gallery in favor of her GO stages. That is something that flat out shouldn't be happening. I think we need to further solidify our infobox image policy as it is (it's not at all consistent between series to series, even not counting the GO bloat), but for the time being, I feel we should at least draw the line here. Thank you for the time.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:27, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

My original purpose for those was to have all unique costumes easily available so you don't have to dig through a giant pile of images down bottom. I see no purpose in including stuff like Extella or unlimited codes if they don't differ from the original. I do agree that the main image should be from the main work in which they appear, but see no harm in including the F/GO costumes. EGGS (talk) 13:50, October 26, 2016 (UTC)

I guess I can see the point in that, though I disagree personally (but whatever, not a big deal). I am curious as to why we should include the GO costumes though, since, as mentioned, they tend to be just the base design but with stuff added on (or taken off in some cases). I could maybe see including the Stage 3 since it is the most "changed" outfit in most cases, as well as the "holiday" costumes (preferably one stage of that) for completion, since you did intend for the costumes to be in the infobox.

EDIT: In Nero's case, Stage 3 is the only one where the design is altered at all for both her "costumes". Stage 2 just adds her sword. Anyway, I restored the costumes to the infobox. How does that look?--Otherarrow (talk) 13:49, October 27, 2016 (UTC)

Spouse

Is there a reason Hakuno isn't listed as one of Nero's spouses? They do get married in her end of CCC, and FGO calls that result "fated". Trkasu (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

It's because of Fate's nature of multiple endings. Have you forgotten Fate/EXTELLA? It didn't even show Hakuno and Nero being married -- User:AquaHoshino03 (talk) 2:03, October 29 2024 (UTC)

Nasu stated on his blog detailing the backstory of Extella that it follows Nero's servant ending of CCC. So Word of God is that yes they are married in Extella. Given that both Extella and FGO acknowledge that end, it's a bit weird to dismiss it.Trkasu (talk) 6:36, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Ummm, Nero didn't even reveal to Altera and Charlemagne that they are married and it says "Fate/EXTELLA takes place after the Moon Holy Grail War, but in a slightly different continuity from the events shown in Fate/EXTRA." -- User:AquaHoshino03 (talk) 10:54, October 29 2024 (UTC)

As I said, Nasu himself said in a blog post that Extella does continue off the Nero end of CCC. "After defeating Twice, the ED of the PSP version is combined with CCC's Saber Route END and connects to EXTELLA." That means both Extella and FGO acknowledge a Nero and Hakuno marriage. It's not some random throwaway end that never comes up again, it's been mentioned as relevant in two other continuities. Trkasu (talk) 20:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry but even if that's true that doesn't count. Nero still calls Hakuno preator. -- User:AquaHoshino03 (talk) 22:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

So even if the creator of the series said Nero and Hakuno are married (I provided a source, so idk why the if), it doesn't count, because...you say it doesn't. Ok, pal. Trkasu (talk) 23:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

What I meant is that their relationship is not as romantic as Shirou and Sakura and as for the relevant part its relevant for the Fate/EXTRA series for sure. But it's not that relevant to both it and FGO's overall story. - User:AquaHoshino03 (talk) 00:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Even if it not being super overt was a relevant arguement, it's more overt than plenty of other extracanonically clarified info that IS listed here, such as her being "Chaotic Good". It's a canonical fact in at least three continuities per the creator of the series. I don't really see any reason to hide that or pretend it's not the case. It's one thing to not know about Nasu's statements on the matter, it's another thing to sweep it under the rug once it's been brought to attention.Trkasu (talk) 00:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)