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Class[]

Are we sure Watcher is not a class? Japanese Wikipedia claims it is. G-SANtos (talk) 02:40, May 19, 2016 (UTC)/23:40, May 18, 2016 (Brasília)

According to one of the primary translators on BL, it's not really a class, which is why Gatekeeper is apparently used as an example of a proper summoning. I have no clue myself. EGGS (talk) 19:17, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

Identity[]

This is just speculation, so if this isn't appropriate to put here, I understand if it gets removed, I just wanted to share my thoughts. Orion: believed he could not be killed by anything on Earth, Gaia created the Scorpion to kill him; Asclepius: believed he had the right to bring back the dead, killed by Zeus for his transgressions; Icarus: ignored his father's warnings about his wax wings, flew too close to the sun; Ahab: abandoned all caution and preparation when confronting the object of his revenge, was dragged down into the ocean. All of them were killed by their own hubris. I believe that, for Watcher to be the killer of these characters who were obviously not killed by the same individual, Watcher must be the embodiment of the concept of Hubris itself. Hubris may also be seen as a Gatekeeper of sorts, the barrier that prevented those four from achieving their goals. At first I thought this would be a strange thing to be summoned, but Ryohgo Narita has written stranger things. I don't think I'm necessarily right, but it's the only way I can see to make sense of the information given so far.

Tokiro7 (talk) 06:17, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

Interesting interpretation. I will make a conjecture and say Watcher appeared as a Servant-like entity this time because it's the most suited choice for the Holy Grail War ? One thing is sure, with your comment on the Scorpion, Watcher's most likely linked to the Counter Force of Gaia. Alaya wouldn't send an agent to decimate mortals with the means to cheat death I think, even if it makes them arrogant. -- Hitsuji Mamoru (talk) 10:18, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
Watcher is probably Moby Dick. モビー‧ディック fits with the "Its name has seven characters and is ○○○·○○○○" thing. They are probably going for "Moby Dick is a shapeshifting being and killed different people under differents forms with its whale form being the only famous one" or something similar.
That said, we already have a Moby Dick. If Watcher is revealed to be Moby Dick, would the Fate/EXTRA be moved to its own article, or would it be covered here under "other appearances"? I'm not sure if the Fate/EXTRA is major enough to get its own article. G-SANtos (talk) 18:53, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
I was talking to a friend about this today and he pointed out that it wouldn't actually make sense for Watcher to be Hubris, as that would imply that it is the arrogance itself that is the Gatekeeper, when the Gatekeeper seems more to be blocking people who exhibit Hubris. Fortunately, there is a term for the force that is the downfall of Hubris, and that term shares a name with an actual mythological figure; Nemesis. My theory still stands as a whole, but now I have an actual name to put to it. So, until further notice, I believe Watcher is Nemesis.
Tokiro7 (talk) 05:16, June 9, 2016 (UTC)

Summoning[]

I understand we can't really put anything else, but shouldn't it be made more apparent on the Page that Watcher wasn't actually summoned by Sigma as they themselves say, but brought with whatever it was he actually did summon that has yet to make it's real appearance? Zahadrin (talk) 23:46, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Watcher is some omnipresent existence that has yet to manifest a physical form, and the shadows are something separate. The page seems to make that clear enough. EGGS (talk) 00:07, September 4, 2017 (UTC)
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